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Post by mistwell on Feb 24, 2024 15:13:20 GMT -8
The SGA trade was 4 years, 7 months, and 18 days ago. If you're not over it by now, you have issues. We got Kawhi and PG as a result of that trade, and also never would have gotten Harden here for basically nothing. In that time SGA has become great, and is right this year better than PG (though I still very firmly say Kawhi is better than SGA). But he wasn't better than PG for the overwhelming bulk of those nearly-5 years and that's extremely important when you're talking about a run around Kawhi who only has a couple years left likely of his prime. Which is why I said PG is a better fit for this team, given what we were and are doing. (And anyone who wants to go back and look at what I said about PG being "better" than SGA will find that's what I said then too). Well, as a Red Sox fan, I freely admit to 'having issues' with, say, the Betts trade, and the Babe Ruth trade as well. I am over the Betts trade but I am with you on Babe Ruth. That's right up there with Pearl Harbor.
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Post by dane on Feb 24, 2024 16:42:44 GMT -8
Well, as a Red Sox fan, I freely admit to 'having issues' with, say, the Betts trade, and the Babe Ruth trade as well. I am over the Betts trade but I am with you on Babe Ruth. That's right up there with Pearl Harbor. I'm not, since not only do I not get to follow the greatest player of his generation (well, maybe 2nd best!), but the philosophy behind that (as well as to the trading away of other popular players) has also led, not surprisingly, to a string of last-place finishes.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 24, 2024 21:01:43 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George. We threw it into Zu all night. He either fumbled it or had his shot blocked and then whined about it. Getting tired of his constant complaining. Holmgren absolutely outclassed him. He even bullied him around so not sure about Zu being stronger. He certainly still has some of the weakest hands in the association and he usually gets dominated by opposing centers with any length. Elsewhere, they call him AJAX hands. From the dish soap.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 24, 2024 21:02:51 GMT -8
I am over the Betts trade but I am with you on Babe Ruth. That's right up there with Pearl Harbor. I'm not, since not only do I not get to follow the greatest player of his generation (well, maybe 2nd best!), but the philosophy behind that (as well as to the trading away of other popular players) has also led, not surprisingly, to a string of last-place finishes. Great post.
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Post by clipanswerman on Feb 26, 2024 15:39:23 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George.Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG now. No question And I emphasize "now." But I repeat what I've said a gazillion times that keeps getting swept under the rug: The FO did NOT trade SGA + picks for PG. The FO gave up SGA + picks to get Kawhi + PG. Do your credibility a favor and stop saying what you are saying.If anyone is feeling any regrets — if — then it would be Kawhi for insisting on the trade in order to sign with the Clippers. The FO did what anyone else would do, including you I'm sure. One more thing: This is past history and it is getting ridiculous to rehash it over and over again. There is nothing more to say about the issue that has not already been said. Nothing. Let's let it go lest it becomes another conversation that lingers like the Zach Randolph conversation that went on idiotically for decades. LOL. So Seven or Eight months ago, or whatever it was, you weren't 'qualified' to determine who the better player was - Shai or Paul George - but now, for some reason, you are? Now Shai's better, and there's 'no question'? There has been no question for a long time now. Difference in PER this year: 30.2 vs. 18.2. That's massively massive. Difference in PER last year? 27.2 to 19.6. That's massive. I guess the difference had to be massively massive, not just massive for you to humbly state 'Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG.' This isn't some new phenomenon. You didn't want to admit it 8 months ago when I said he was a top 10 player but now, suddenly 'there's no question'. I guess I still have that crystal ball. (Shai's PER two years ago was also higher than PG the year before, and the year before that too by an average of 2 points and as I've pointed out many times, Paul George's PER is bloated because (a) he gets cheap defensive rebounds; and (b) his turnovers aren't just turnovers, they're morale killing gifts.) Make no mistake, Shai has been better than Paul George for the last four years. Second, let's stop this idiocy of saying the front office did not trade SGA and picks for PG. Of course they did. I've said this many times - I don't blame them, Kawhi put a gun to their heads and given the threat of Kawhi going to the Lakers, he forced the trade. But let's stop this childish 'the trade was for Kawhi.' It was not. Kawhi was a free agent and the trade was a condition of his signing. I'm pretty certain that if the trade was SGA and picks for Kawhi and Paul George, we would have had to give up a lot more. It's not 'past history' - it's extremely relevant today and it's why as Gilp pointed out, The Athletic just ran a story on the trade - noting that one team got two stars from the trade (Shai and Jaylen Williams). I guess they're too stupid to realize that Kawhi was 'part of the trade'. The article was dead-on accurate 'it's the gift that keeps giving for OKC' - which it's exactly what I said four years ago. I'm not blaming the front office. Kawhi stupidly hurt the team he was going to. I do blame whoever Paul George's PR guy is - apparently even Kawhi thought he was a 'superstar'. I think we all know better now. At least Clipper fans do. Except Mistwell.
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 26, 2024 16:09:42 GMT -8
Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG now. No question And I emphasize "now." But I repeat what I've said a gazillion times that keeps getting swept under the rug: The FO did NOT trade SGA + picks for PG. The FO gave up SGA + picks to get Kawhi + PG. Do your credibility a favor and stop saying what you are saying.If anyone is feeling any regrets — if — then it would be Kawhi for insisting on the trade in order to sign with the Clippers. The FO did what anyone else would do, including you I'm sure. One more thing: This is past history and it is getting ridiculous to rehash it over and over again. There is nothing more to say about the issue that has not already been said. Nothing. Let's let it go lest it becomes another conversation that lingers like the Zach Randolph conversation that went on idiotically for decades. LOL. So Seven or Eight months ago, or whatever it was, you weren't 'qualified' to determine who the better player was - Shai or Paul George - but now, for some reason, you are? Now Shai's better, and there's 'no question'? There has been no question for a long time now. Difference in PER this year: 30.2 vs. 18.2. That's massively massive. Difference in PER last year? 27.2 to 19.6. That's massive. I guess the difference had to be massively massive, not just massive for you to humbly state 'Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG.' This isn't some new phenomenon. You didn't want to admit it 8 months ago when I said he was a top 10 player but now, suddenly 'there's no question'. I guess I still have that crystal ball. (Shai's PER two years ago was also higher than PG the year before, and the year before that too by an average of 2 points and as I've pointed out many times, Paul George's PER is bloated because (a) he gets cheap defensive rebounds; and (b) his turnovers aren't just turnovers, they're morale killing gifts.) Make no mistake, Shai has been better than Paul George for the last four years. Second, let's stop this idiocy of saying the front office did not trade SGA and picks for PG. Of course they did. I've said this many times - I don't blame them, Kawhi put a gun to their heads and given the threat of Kawhi going to the Lakers, he forced the trade. But let's stop this childish 'the trade was for Kawhi.' It was not. Kawhi was a free agent and the trade was a condition of his signing. I'm pretty certain that if the trade was SGA and picks for Kawhi and Paul George, we would have had to give up a lot more. It's not 'past history' - it's extremely relevant today and it's why as Gilp pointed out, The Athletic just ran a story on the trade - noting that one team got two stars from the trade (Shai and Jaylen Williams). I guess they're too stupid to realize that Kawhi was 'part of the trade'. The article was dead-on accurate 'it's the gift that keeps giving for OKC' - which it's exactly what I said four years ago. I'm not blaming the front office. Kawhi stupidly hurt the team he was going to. I do blame whoever Paul George's PR guy is - apparently even Kawhi thought he was a 'superstar'. I think we all know better now. At least Clipper fans do. Except Mistwell. No, Einstein, I said what I said because you were trying desperately to engage me in one of your pointless and endless verbal volleyball exercises of which I want no part. Clearly you are not capable of taking a polite hint, so let me be a bit more direct: Demonstrably, you have no life and you think you can get one by thumping your chest online to a bunch of people you don’t and will never know. I’m not interested, I have a life. I am always open to interesting, adult dialogues, but I am not interesting in comparing the size of my dick vs. the size of yours.
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Post by clipanswerman on Feb 26, 2024 16:13:52 GMT -8
You said what you said because you were a coward. You didn't want to admit you'd been wrong. Plain and simple. It was the size of your dick that you were concerned about. And there's been nothing polite about you for years. Snotty? Yes. Pompous? Yes. But polite - no.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 27, 2024 15:12:36 GMT -8
LOL. So Seven or Eight months ago, or whatever it was, you weren't 'qualified' to determine who the better player was - Shai or Paul George - but now, for some reason, you are? Now Shai's better, and there's 'no question'? There has been no question for a long time now. Difference in PER this year: 30.2 vs. 18.2. That's massively massive. Difference in PER last year? 27.2 to 19.6. That's massive. I guess the difference had to be massively massive, not just massive for you to humbly state 'Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG.' This isn't some new phenomenon. You didn't want to admit it 8 months ago when I said he was a top 10 player but now, suddenly 'there's no question'. I guess I still have that crystal ball. (Shai's PER two years ago was also higher than PG the year before, and the year before that too by an average of 2 points and as I've pointed out many times, Paul George's PER is bloated because (a) he gets cheap defensive rebounds; and (b) his turnovers aren't just turnovers, they're morale killing gifts.) Make no mistake, Shai has been better than Paul George for the last four years. Second, let's stop this idiocy of saying the front office did not trade SGA and picks for PG. Of course they did. I've said this many times - I don't blame them, Kawhi put a gun to their heads and given the threat of Kawhi going to the Lakers, he forced the trade. But let's stop this childish 'the trade was for Kawhi.' It was not. Kawhi was a free agent and the trade was a condition of his signing. I'm pretty certain that if the trade was SGA and picks for Kawhi and Paul George, we would have had to give up a lot more. It's not 'past history' - it's extremely relevant today and it's why as Gilp pointed out, The Athletic just ran a story on the trade - noting that one team got two stars from the trade (Shai and Jaylen Williams). I guess they're too stupid to realize that Kawhi was 'part of the trade'. The article was dead-on accurate 'it's the gift that keeps giving for OKC' - which it's exactly what I said four years ago. I'm not blaming the front office. Kawhi stupidly hurt the team he was going to. I do blame whoever Paul George's PR guy is - apparently even Kawhi thought he was a 'superstar'. I think we all know better now. At least Clipper fans do. Except Mistwell. No, Einstein, I said what I said because you were trying desperately to engage me in one of your pointless and endless verbal volleyball exercises of which I want no part. Clearly you are not capable of taking a polite hint, so let me be a bit more direct: Demonstrably, you have no life and you think you can get one by thumping your chest online to a bunch of people you don’t and will never know. I’m not interested, I have a life. I am always open to interesting, adult dialogues, but I am not interesting in comparing the size of my dick vs. the size of yours. Cork, without any evidence to support the claim I nonetheless feel very confident you have a bigger dick than that loser. You can tell from the way he behaves it's A THING in his mind that he's desperately trying to compensate for
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Post by clipanswerman on Feb 27, 2024 16:55:57 GMT -8
LOL. Not hard to figure out who lost the argument - just check out who starts the Trumpian approach of getting into bodily insults and using 'dick measurement' references.
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