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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 10, 2024 16:55:27 GMT -8
Clippers can still trade for a $20M player fairly easily too, without moving a rotation player. And they've got one more first-round pick to trade. Is he including Coffey in this? Because he essentially is a rotation player right now. Tucker makes 11m. I think Coffey makes around 5. And we can prob add another small contract to get to the 90% matching rules, but most of our non rotation guys other than PJ barely make anything. Either way, there's still some good options in either range. We really can't miss on that trade, cos we won't have a pick to trade for a while. Dumping Tucker would cost almost a 1st rounder so I'm hoping Tucker plus a 1st could get you something decent. Or maybe it's possible if it's for another longer contract that isn't great we can do Tucker plus a couple 2nds for a slightly better, more needed player. I think the biggest thing that would help is a 4 who leans more as a 4/5 rather than a bigger wing who can play the 4.
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Post by dyce on Jan 10, 2024 22:06:41 GMT -8
Boner
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Post by mistwell on Jan 11, 2024 6:42:28 GMT -8
Is he including Coffey in this? Because he essentially is a rotation player right now. Tucker makes 11m. I think Coffey makes around 5. And we can prob add another small contract to get to the 90% matching rules, but most of our non rotation guys other than PJ barely make anything. Either way, there's still some good options in either range. We really can't miss on that trade, cos we won't have a pick to trade for a while. Dumping Tucker would cost almost a 1st rounder so I'm hoping Tucker plus a 1st could get you something decent. Or maybe it's possible if it's for another longer contract that isn't great we can do Tucker plus a couple 2nds for a slightly better, more needed player. I think the biggest thing that would help is a 4 who leans more as a 4/5 rather than a bigger wing who can play the 4. I think he means PJ and Plumlee.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 11, 2024 12:01:36 GMT -8
Is he including Coffey in this? Because he essentially is a rotation player right now. Tucker makes 11m. I think Coffey makes around 5. And we can prob add another small contract to get to the 90% matching rules, but most of our non rotation guys other than PJ barely make anything. Either way, there's still some good options in either range. We really can't miss on that trade, cos we won't have a pick to trade for a while. Dumping Tucker would cost almost a 1st rounder so I'm hoping Tucker plus a 1st could get you something decent. Or maybe it's possible if it's for another longer contract that isn't great we can do Tucker plus a couple 2nds for a slightly better, more needed player. I think the biggest thing that would help is a 4 who leans more as a 4/5 rather than a bigger wing who can play the 4. I think he means PJ and Plumlee. I think it's important for us to keep our C depth for the postseason. If we face Denver and 1 of our guys gets hurt, it'd be big trouble if we didn't have a capable C to throw in there.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 11, 2024 13:20:44 GMT -8
I think he means PJ and Plumlee. I think it's important for us to keep our C depth for the postseason. If we face Denver and 1 of our guys gets hurt, it'd be big trouble if we didn't have a capable C to throw in there. You'd risk not getting a starting piece we need because you want a third stringer for a position we already were able to successfully fill off the waiver wires?
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Post by clipanswerman on Jan 11, 2024 13:35:12 GMT -8
I think it's important for us to keep our C depth for the postseason. If we face Denver and 1 of our guys gets hurt, it'd be big trouble if we didn't have a capable C to throw in there. You'd risk not getting a starting piece we need because you want a third stringer for a position we already were able to successfully fill off the waiver wires? We need a starting piece? We do? We should definitely NOT get rid of Theis or Plumlee for the reasons hitnrun stated.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 11, 2024 14:06:31 GMT -8
I think it's important for us to keep our C depth for the postseason. If we face Denver and 1 of our guys gets hurt, it'd be big trouble if we didn't have a capable C to throw in there. You'd risk not getting a starting piece we need because you want a third stringer for a position we already were able to successfully fill off the waiver wires? Yeah I mean obv I would do it if we were getting a player who's a real needle mover, but just being real we are trading Tucker who's a big negative. This is also why we can't just buy him out, we don't have many other contracts to trade that aren't important to us. We aren't getting a starter level player for his contract and the team trading for him wouldn't value Plumlee anyway. Even Tucker and a '30 Clippers 1st isn't getting you a starter. It might get you a decent role player. So given the realistic scenarios I'd want the size for the postseason.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 11, 2024 14:53:11 GMT -8
You'd risk not getting a starting piece we need because you want a third stringer for a position we already were able to successfully fill off the waiver wires? Yeah I mean obv I would do it if we were getting a player who's a real needle mover, but just being real we are trading Tucker who's a big negative. This is also why we can't just buy him out, we don't have many other contracts to trade that aren't important to us. We aren't getting a starter level player for his contract and the team trading for him wouldn't value Plumlee anyway. Even Tucker and a '30 Clippers 1st isn't getting you a starter. It might get you a decent role player. So given the realistic scenarios I'd want the size for the postseason. Ah, I think the disconnect here is we're starting to hear rumors of teams that realize they're not going to make the playoffs this year, and are willing to start moving decent older starter-quality players in positions that younger players on those teams now need to be playing, for draft assets, maybe a younger player like Boston Jr they can develop, and shorter term contracts that they can use to fill some minutes but which are not going to take minutes from their existing younger players. Tucker and Plumlee meet that criteria, and that late draft asset has value. Obviously if the player in question doesn't move the needle you don't do it. But I suspect that's what Clippers are looking at right now: Tucker, Plumlee and maybe Boston for a power forward who they can use instead of Mann against certain matchups. I prefer Plumlee over Theis but not by a huge gap and Plumlee has the larger and more tradeable contract, and a good reputation particularly for east conference teams where he'd be a starter for some lower tier teams developing young wings and guards. Tucker also is viewed as a somewhat competent defensive forward by some lower tier east coast teams and he'd be getting backup minutes on them as well. So we're talking guys like De'Andre Hunter, P.J. Washington, Kyle Kuzma, and Bojan Bogdanovic. None of those guys are amazing, and maybe we wouldn't want to move Plumlee and a pick and Tucker's contract for any of them, and maybe those teams wouldn't be interested in what we have to offer for any of those guys. But I think the team is looking at something like that right now.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 11, 2024 17:41:09 GMT -8
Yeah I mean obv I would do it if we were getting a player who's a real needle mover, but just being real we are trading Tucker who's a big negative. This is also why we can't just buy him out, we don't have many other contracts to trade that aren't important to us. We aren't getting a starter level player for his contract and the team trading for him wouldn't value Plumlee anyway. Even Tucker and a '30 Clippers 1st isn't getting you a starter. It might get you a decent role player. So given the realistic scenarios I'd want the size for the postseason. Ah, I think the disconnect here is we're starting to hear rumors of teams that realize they're not going to make the playoffs this year, and are willing to start moving decent older starter-quality players in positions that younger players on those teams now need to be playing, for draft assets, maybe a younger player like Boston Jr they can develop, and shorter term contracts that they can use to fill some minutes but which are not going to take minutes from their existing younger players. Tucker and Plumlee meet that criteria, and that late draft asset has value. Obviously if the player in question doesn't move the needle you don't do it. But I suspect that's what Clippers are looking at right now: Tucker, Plumlee and maybe Boston for a power forward who they can use instead of Mann against certain matchups. I prefer Plumlee over Theis but not by a huge gap and Plumlee has the larger and more tradeable contract, and a good reputation particularly for east conference teams where he'd be a starter for some lower tier teams developing young wings and guards. Tucker also is viewed as a somewhat competent defensive forward by some lower tier east coast teams and he'd be getting backup minutes on them as well. So we're talking guys like De'Andre Hunter, P.J. Washington, Kyle Kuzma, and Bojan Bogdanovic. None of those guys are amazing, and maybe we wouldn't want to move Plumlee and a pick and Tucker's contract for any of them, and maybe those teams wouldn't be interested in what we have to offer for any of those guys. But I think the team is looking at something like that right now. Yeah if we're trading Tucker teams will demand almost a 1st round pick since his contract goes through next season. And that's without getting a somewhat valuable player in return. If we're trading that pick ('30 1st), which under the rules I think is the only pick left that we can trade, it's gotta be the right deal. Those guys are probably realistic. Maybe Wendell Carter or Jonathan Isaac too from Orlando, though both are injury risks. If we can somehow get it done for PJ and 2-3 2nd's that'd be even better. We could put Coffey in the deal in place of Plumlee too.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 11, 2024 18:35:08 GMT -8
For what it is worth Bismack Biyombo was just waived. He was a decent backup center before Memphis got him.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 12, 2024 10:13:39 GMT -8
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 12, 2024 10:25:01 GMT -8
There was a player option for next year on his prior deal. So this is really 2 years beyond the prior deal's full term. With his health issues it's definitely a gamble but almost every team would do it.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 12, 2024 12:23:39 GMT -8
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39248328/2024-nba-trade-deadline-latest-deals-grades-rumors-newsJan. 12 12:30 p.m. ET: The LA Clippers are one of the NBA's hottest teams, having gone are 21-6 since a Nov. 27 loss to the Denver Nuggets. More importantly, the team signed Kawhi Leonard on Tuesday to a new extension that sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski is worth $153 million over three years. The early season trade for James Harden from the Philadelphia 76ers has worked out well for the Clippers, but is the team looking to make another move ahead of the postseason push? Speaking on the "Lowe Post," ESPN's Zach Lowe and Ohm Youngmisuk debate what the Clips could do to solidify their top-four spot in the Western Conference. The team could use someone like Dorian Finney-Smith or fellow Brooklyn Nets forward Royce O'Neale to help stretch the floor, especially after losing Robert Covington and Nicolas Batum in the Harden trade. The Clippers have a first-round draft pick, plus players such as forward P.J. Tucker and center Mason Plumlee (whose working back from an MCL sprain), that could be used in any deal.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 12, 2024 12:26:14 GMT -8
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39284727/kawhi-leonard-hopes-deal-helps-clippers-keep-george-hardenSources told Wojnarowski that Leonard's extension will pay the forward $52 million in the first year and approximately $50 million per season over the next two years. The extension does not include a player option, according to Wojnarowski, but does include a 15% trade kicker. Asked about his thinking in taking a shorter extension than he was eligible for, Leonard said, "I think at that point I'm going to be 35." "You're going to see how I'm playing at that age," the 32-year-old Leonard said. "So I guess that's the number."
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 14, 2024 1:57:16 GMT -8
For what it is worth Bismack Biyombo was just waived. He was a decent backup center before Memphis got him. He had a 26 rebound game in the playoffs for the Raptors in 2016.
It was fun to watch him do that.
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