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Post by gilp5 on Jan 10, 2024 17:57:51 GMT -8
Now that Kawhi's extension is wrapped up, what is PG worth? Is he worth the same as Kawhi? What would he get on the open marketplace if the Clippers aren't bidding for him?
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Post by v-ice on Jan 10, 2024 18:34:56 GMT -8
Only if Harden is resigned as well. Can’t have George handling the ball. He’s not a point forward
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 10, 2024 18:44:31 GMT -8
But what is PG's true market value? What would other teams pay for him?
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 10, 2024 20:21:04 GMT -8
Somewhat related: Would you structure his contract so that it declines? If so, I would be more likely.
But as of now, especially if the answer to the above is "increasing contract", I would say no.
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Post by dyce on Jan 10, 2024 22:19:37 GMT -8
Honestly, the money amount doesn't really matter when we have Ballmer as our owner. We don't need "cap space" we already have our core. We don't need to worry about the luxury tax. Just don't hard cap ourselves and that is easy to avoid.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 10, 2024 22:24:31 GMT -8
But what is PG's true market value? What would other teams pay for him? You'd think it'd be a lot less, but it probably isn't. Brad Beal got 5 years 250m. You don't get perfect players even at that price. At least now, we can get him in the right role. He's like our super powered version of Michael Porter Jr. He can also still defend when he's playing all out and almost every team in the league is starved for bigger wings.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 10, 2024 22:27:26 GMT -8
Honestly, the money amount doesn't really matter when we have Ballmer as our owner. We don't need "cap space" we already have our core. We don't need to worry about the luxury tax. Just don't hard cap ourselves and that is easy to avoid. Except that it DOES really matter. You want the option to trade a player if things don't work out. If his true market value is $30m and the Clippers sign him to a $50m contract, it will be an albatross contract that cannot be moved if needed. Plus there is the issue of second apron.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 10, 2024 22:31:22 GMT -8
But what is PG's true market value? What would other teams pay for him? You'd think it'd be a lot less, but it probably isn't. Brad Beal got 5 years 250m. You don't get perfect players even at that price. At least now, we can get him in the right role. He's like our super powered version of Michael Porter Jr. He can also still defend when he's playing all out and almost every team in the league is starved for bigger wings. I don't think any other team would offer him anything close to $50m. Should PG make more than Middleton ($30m) or Donovan Mitchell ($33m) or Tatum ($32m) or Herro ($27m) or Ingram ($33m) or Murray ($33m)? My guess is that his true value is somewhere around $30m. Meaning if the Clippers sign him to $50m they will not be able to trade him for anything of value.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 10, 2024 22:36:19 GMT -8
You'd think it'd be a lot less, but it probably isn't. Brad Beal got 5 years 250m. You don't get perfect players even at that price. At least now, we can get him in the right role. He's like our super powered version of Michael Porter Jr. He can also still defend when he's playing all out and almost every team in the league is starved for bigger wings. I don't think any other team would offer him anything close to $50m. Should PG make more than Middleton ($30m) or Donovan Mitchell ($33m) or Tatum ($32m) or Herro ($27m) or Ingram ($33m) or Murray ($33m)? My guess is that his true value is somewhere around $30m. Meaning if the Clippers sign him to $50m they will not be able to trade him for anything of value. All of these guys other than Middleton and probably Herro would get 50m+ if they were FA this year.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 10, 2024 22:39:39 GMT -8
I don't think any other team would offer him anything close to $50m. Should PG make more than Middleton ($30m) or Donovan Mitchell ($33m) or Tatum ($32m) or Herro ($27m) or Ingram ($33m) or Murray ($33m)? My guess is that his true value is somewhere around $30m. Meaning if the Clippers sign him to $50m they will not be able to trade him for anything of value. All of these guys other than Middleton and probably Herro would get 50m+ if they were FA this year. Unlikely with the new CBA and second apron rules. Tatum I could see. But not the rest.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 10, 2024 23:16:21 GMT -8
All of these guys other than Middleton and probably Herro would get 50m+ if they were FA this year. Unlikely with the new CBA and second apron rules. Tatum I could see. But not the rest. I'd bet every single one gets the max possible. Jaylen Brown got 300m.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 11, 2024 0:27:21 GMT -8
You'd think it'd be a lot less, but it probably isn't. Brad Beal got 5 years 250m. You don't get perfect players even at that price. At least now, we can get him in the right role. He's like our super powered version of Michael Porter Jr. He can also still defend when he's playing all out and almost every team in the league is starved for bigger wings. I don't think any other team would offer him anything close to $50m. Should PG make more than Middleton ($30m) or Donovan Mitchell ($33m) or Tatum ($32m) or Herro ($27m) or Ingram ($33m) or Murray ($33m)? My guess is that his true value is somewhere around $30m. Meaning if the Clippers sign him to $50m they will not be able to trade him for anything of value. Yes, because the cap increases. That's why he "should".
But he's not worth $50M. I don't trust his durability.
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Post by corkscrew on Jan 11, 2024 4:09:20 GMT -8
Unlikely with the new CBA and second apron rules. Tatum I could see. But not the rest. I'd bet every single one gets the max possible. Jaylen Brown got 300m. Let's keep in mind, money is only an issue in terms of cap. Balmer has very, very deep pockets and the business math says whatever he spends, he will not be losing money, the ledger will remain in the black. He will want to move into the Intuit Dome with as much bang as he can possibly muster up.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 11, 2024 6:35:17 GMT -8
There are 30 teams, and each can afford 2 max players. So is PG a top 60 player? Yes. So yes, he is a max player. The max increases so of course the current max is higher than a guy who was a max when he was signed at a time when the max was lower. In a few years, this max will likely seem low relative to what players are signed for then. That's just how it goes.
Kawhi was signed for less than the max, and for less years than the max, and as far as we can tell without a player option (and I think no player no-trade clause too). So yeah, if PG were signed for something similar that would be a good deal.
It would be a good deal whether we want to keep him or trade him.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 11, 2024 9:53:53 GMT -8
There are 30 teams, and each can afford 2 max players. So is PG a top 60 player? Yes. So yes, he is a max player. The max increases so of course the current max is higher than a guy who was a max when he was signed at a time when the max was lower. In a few years, this max will likely seem low relative to what players are signed for then. That's just how it goes. Kawhi was signed for less than the max, and for less years than the max, and as far as we can tell without a player option (and I think no player no-trade clause too). So yeah, if PG were signed for something similar that would be a good deal. It would be a good deal whether we want to keep him or trade him. I disagree. The new CBA changes the equation for most teams dramatically. Every team will not automatically fill up two $50m max slots just because they "can." There are not 60 players in the league worth that large percentage of a salary cap or worth forcing teams into the second apron. PG at this stage is not worth that type of contract. He's an inefficient shooter and turnover prone. He takes ill advised shots. He needs an elite guard to operate. If the Clippers sign him to a $50m extension it will be an albatross contract. The Clippers will be stuck and not able to get rid of that contract if or when it doesn't work out with him. If they let him walk, I do not see any team signing him to more than $30m. His agent knows this as well. Harden is more valuable to this team than PG. Hopefully whatever they sign PG does not hurt their ability to sign Harden.
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