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Post by clipsentuboca on Feb 22, 2024 18:43:44 GMT -8
can't hit anything, stick a fork in em.
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 22, 2024 18:43:57 GMT -8
Terrible 3rd quarter got the Clips playing intimidated.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 22, 2024 19:45:27 GMT -8
No more pass for Paul George. He played in the all star game so to me he's 100% healthy. He needs to be better. Too many games where he's not giving us a lift. I think he'll shoot better but he's gotta get it together. We struggled as a team finishing at the rim in this one. OKC did a good job of having a bunch of help. Refs didn't call it close, on both sides too so you have to live with it. Gotta keep the quick hook on Russ when he's dragging the offense down. Some games he helps but sometimes he can't finish a thing. Kawhi 9-12. Probably gotta get more shots out of him, esp when most no one else has it.
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Post by basketcase on Feb 22, 2024 20:26:58 GMT -8
We looked like the Washington Generals out there in the second half.
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 22, 2024 21:27:14 GMT -8
1 — Russ just cannot score, he needs to stop trying. Full stop.
2 — PG is laying eggs all over the place lately, pass the damn ball already, it's a team sport!
3 — Where is that D we used to pride ourselves on?
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Post by tullabye on Feb 22, 2024 21:57:38 GMT -8
Zu was dominated….he’s got to man up and play stronger. He was tossed around like a ragdoll tonight.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 22, 2024 22:03:22 GMT -8
1 — Russ just cannot score, he needs to stop trying. Full stop. 2 — PG is laying eggs all over the place lately, pass the damn ball already, it's a team sport! 3 — Where is that D we used to pride ourselves on? Russ and PG are like opposites. The defense is dying for Russ to shoot it. They're ball denying everyone else on the court so he's the decision maker. For George it seems like he feels like we're better off with him taking super hard shots because he's a really good shooter. We're not. Harden and Powell can score the ball pretty efficiently too. If George is open then shoot it, I have a lot of confidence in those shots but we don't need the super contested stuff, unless the shot clock is running down. And sucks for Russ, most of his shots would be fine for a good scorer/shooter, but he's so hit or miss. I don't really know how you can feel good depending on it game to game. Over the course of a long regular season you'll take the good with the bad, but there's not much predictability in it.
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Post by clipanswerman on Feb 23, 2024 10:01:25 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable.
We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign.
A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't).
Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys.
But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden.
Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself.
Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George.
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 23, 2024 10:06:32 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George. Not only the horrific trade, but the same people think that PG is worth a 3 years/150m extension.
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 23, 2024 11:23:14 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George.Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG now. No question And I emphasize " now." But I repeat what I've said a gazillion times that keeps getting swept under the rug: The FO did NOT trade SGA + picks for PG. The FO gave up SGA + picks to get Kawhi + PG. Do your credibility a favor and stop saying what you are saying. If anyone is feeling any regrets — if — then it would be Kawhi for insisting on the trade in order to sign with the Clippers. The FO did what anyone else would do, including you I'm sure. One more thing: This is past history and it is getting ridiculous to rehash it over and over again. There is nothing more to say about the issue that has not already been said. Nothing. Let's let it go lest it becomes another conversation that lingers like the Zach Randolph conversation that went on idiotically for decades.
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 23, 2024 12:06:56 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George.Oh, there is no question SGA is more valuable than PG now. No question And I emphasize " now." But I repeat what I've said a gazillion times that keeps getting swept under the rug: The FO did NOT trade SGA + picks for PG. The FO gave up SGA + picks to get Kawhi + PG. Do your credibility a favor and stop saying what you are saying. If anyone is feeling any regrets — if — then it would be Kawhi for insisting on the trade in order to sign with the Clippers. The FO did what anyone else would do, including you I'm sure. One more thing: This is past history and it is getting ridiculous to rehash it over and over again. There is nothing more to say about the issue that has not already been said. Nothing. Let's let it go lest it becomes another conversation that lingers like the Zach Randolph conversation that went on idiotically for decades. ESPN just wrote a long article about the PG deal and how it created a dynasty in OKC. In the article, Doc admits it was a bad deal in retrospect: "If you did everything whatever amount of years later, you would never do that deal," Rivers said. "You just wouldn't. But who had a crystal ball?" www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39565474/the-paul-george-trade-created-one-nba-best-duos-birthed-potential-nba-dynasty
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 23, 2024 12:37:56 GMT -8
If Shai was here then Harden likely wouldn't be, which softens the blow of it a bit. So would you rather have PG AND Harden or Shai and the picks, which could be turned into other good pieces too. I think you take the Shai side, but it's closer. George is maddening because he obviously is capable of playing better. It's tough to remember, but in the last game against OKC, he was coming off an amazing stretch. Then he got injured a bit and never regained that form. He's been mostly horrible for about a month now. When you're struggling you shouldn't be taking tougher shots so I hope they're coaching him on that. Sure you want him to stay aggressive, but let the game come to you more.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 23, 2024 13:57:05 GMT -8
The SGA trade was 4 years, 7 months, and 18 days ago. If you're not over it by now, you have issues. We got Kawhi and PG as a result of that trade, and also never would have gotten Harden here for basically nothing. In that time SGA has become great, and is right this year better than PG (though I still very firmly say Kawhi is better than SGA). But he wasn't better than PG for the overwhelming bulk of those nearly-5 years and that's extremely important when you're talking about a run around Kawhi who only has a couple years left likely of his prime. Which is why I said PG is a better fit for this team, given what we were and are doing. (And anyone who wants to go back and look at what I said about PG being "better" than SGA will find that's what I said then too).
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Post by tullabye on Feb 23, 2024 17:06:21 GMT -8
Assuming both teams are fully healthy, there's no way we beat OKC is a seven game series. They're loaded with young talent. Jalen Williams, Holmgren, Lou Dort, Isiah Joe, Wiggins - all knock down shooters who play hard d too. They're young athletic, smart and they play team ball. The key of course, is Shai, who draws the defender, then a split second later, boom, there's an open look. Plus one-one-one, he's close to unstoppable. We played absolutely fantastic ball in the first half - and still were down by one. Not a good sign. A few things really struck me. One is that Shai, almost never fucks up. He doesn't bobble the ball or have it slip in his hands. It seems that every other time Paul George is handling the ball, it bounces away from him, he has to go chase it - or he bumbles the ball and it slips, and now he's down to 3 seconds to shoot. Also, Paul George's decision making - he just takes too long. He can't play on instinct. The NBA game at the high level - and OKC is at the high level - is very very fast. Fast guys, fast passes with quick decisions - Paul George can't keep up - he can't play offense at that pace (Kawhi can and Powell can, and Harden can, but PG can't). Zu is much stronger than anything they have and again we'd be wise to throw it down to him more - fast and early in the possession and as part of a play rather than as a last resort when he's guarded by two guys. But the real thing that hit me during this game - you just can't play Westbrook anymore. You just can't. He mixed 6 layups in the game. Not 2. Six. In just 16 minutes. He went 1-9. And the missed layups were laughable. You saw them. Pure idiocy. He's done. It's over. He may have good moments or even a good game. But if it were me at this point - I'd give his minutes to Bones. Westbrook is killing us. And he's not going to get smart all of a sudden. Kawhi and Harden (and Powell) are fantastic. They're great. Harden needs to get the ball out of Paul George's hands as much as he can and handle business himself. Paul George for Shai and five draft picks (one of whom is becoming star right now, while the Shai is arguably the league MVP at this point). Only two people think it wasn't a horrific trade. Paul George who says 'both teams won' (LOL) and Mistwell, who thinks Paul George is better. Maybe now even Corkscrew is qualified to determine if Shai is better than Paul George. We threw it into Zu all night. He either fumbled it or had his shot blocked and then whined about it. Getting tired of his constant complaining. Holmgren absolutely outclassed him. He even bullied him around so not sure about Zu being stronger. He certainly still has some of the weakest hands in the association and he usually gets dominated by opposing centers with any length.
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Post by dane on Feb 24, 2024 5:54:16 GMT -8
The SGA trade was 4 years, 7 months, and 18 days ago. If you're not over it by now, you have issues. We got Kawhi and PG as a result of that trade, and also never would have gotten Harden here for basically nothing. In that time SGA has become great, and is right this year better than PG (though I still very firmly say Kawhi is better than SGA). But he wasn't better than PG for the overwhelming bulk of those nearly-5 years and that's extremely important when you're talking about a run around Kawhi who only has a couple years left likely of his prime. Which is why I said PG is a better fit for this team, given what we were and are doing. (And anyone who wants to go back and look at what I said about PG being "better" than SGA will find that's what I said then too). Well, as a Red Sox fan, I freely admit to 'having issues' with, say, the Betts trade, and the Babe Ruth trade as well.
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