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Post by mistwell on May 3, 2024 20:51:40 GMT -8
Well that was an ignoble end to the season.
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Post by htownfan on May 3, 2024 21:00:16 GMT -8
Honest question: in his 5 years as a Clipper, how many times has Kawhi participated in the playoffs? And of those times, how often was he healthy? And of those, how many series were won with Kawhi as the top player? As much as I was excited to sign him, I'm just excited now to see him leave. Biggest disappointment since watching Walton injured.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 3, 2024 21:32:19 GMT -8
For most of the season we were not a great team without Kawhi. This would have been a tough, very good series with him 100% healthy to go back and forth with Kyrie. There's no question Kyrie and Luka are just much better scorers than Harden and George, especially at this stage. Kyrie was probably the best defender in this series too. Once I saw his defense in game 1 I was pretty worried. Still thought with Kawhi we should be fine, but alas that was short lived. Would've def helped to have Batum instead of some of the crap we put out there with Tucker/Plumlee minutes, but ultimately still wouldn't have been enough. Russ was a disaster this series, he's ultimately only Harden's back up here since they can't play together. Harden kind of flamed out I guess? But honestly I thought Kyrie's defense on him was excellent. The hope was for Harden not to be in a heavy scoring role, but somehow he ended up having to be the number 1 option. We played Luka well enough to win the series. If he gets going with Kyrie, these Mavs will be tough to beat.
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Post by dane on May 4, 2024 2:32:06 GMT -8
dane , you can turn off the game now. And go back to grammar-rama 2024. Ha! I am not to blame for this debacle. I never turned the game on, since it was late, and I saw little reason to stay up. I just hope we've seen the last of 213. As for Harden, he is every bit as bad as I thought when he was signed. There are no Big Games for James. And if the dude can't hit 3s (which is now the case) there is absolutely no reason to have him on one's team. And poor Russ? well he gave us one good year and at least for a while was a model citizen. But even love and the best dumplings in San Gabriel get old.
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Post by basketcase on May 4, 2024 7:17:52 GMT -8
Should have broke this team up last offseason, like I said then. Now we are stuck with a terrible Kawhi contract, no draft picks for the next 27 years and the real possibility of loosing George, Harden and Westbrook for nothing. If we had broke it up then we could have got some value back to rebuild.
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Post by dane on May 4, 2024 9:31:55 GMT -8
Should have broke this team up last offseason, like I said then. Now we are stuck with a terrible Kawhi contract, no draft picks for the next 27 years and the real possibility of loosing George, Harden and Westbrook for nothing. If we had broke it up then we could have got some value back to rebuild. If we get rid of Kawhi, George, Harden, and Russ for nothing, that will be plenty payment enough.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 4, 2024 10:11:12 GMT -8
This series wasn't winnable once Kawhi got ruled out. There was hope after winning game 1 and a seemingly healthy Kawhi returning for game 2, but once game 3 started and he looked worse than game 2 that was curtains. There's some series George would've done well in, Dallas wasn't his best match up. Suns, OKC, Lakers would've been good ones for him to produce. But he's not on the level of the Dallas guys. I mean if you think about it Kyrie and Luka are both top 10 guys. We know at this stage George and Harden are not. Kawhi was supposed to be what made it a fair fight and he would've had a huge advantage in this series. He'd have gotten Dort next, who is a decent defender but a healthy Kawhi would've had his way against PJ Washington and Derrick Jones Jr. Blame injuries sure, but I don't see it as a failure on Harden/George as much. Maybe in the East you survive a series without Kawhi, but not happening in the West. I think we would've lost to every other West playoff team.
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Post by dane on May 4, 2024 10:47:57 GMT -8
If you have 3 max players and another once-max player, you should be able to win in one goes down. Since LAC cannot, then it's time to clean house. ALL of them.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 4, 2024 11:03:49 GMT -8
If you have 3 max players and another once-max player, you should be able to win in one goes down. Since LAC cannot, then it's time to clean house. ALL of them. The wrong one is going down. 1 is top 5. The other 2 are top 25-40 guys
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Post by dane on May 4, 2024 13:14:47 GMT -8
If you have 3 max players and another once-max player, you should be able to win in one goes down. Since LAC cannot, then it's time to clean house. ALL of them. The wrong one is going down. 1 is top 5. The other 2 are top 25-40 guys Which one? I'm just looking at the stats and I don't see any Clipper top 5, except Harden in assists. Is that who you mean?
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Post by nuraman00 on May 4, 2024 15:13:21 GMT -8
Honest question: in his 5 years as a Clipper, how many times has Kawhi participated in the playoffs? And of those times, how often was he healthy? And of those, how many series were won with Kawhi as the top player? As much as I was excited to sign him, I'm just excited now to see him leave. Biggest disappointment since watching Walton injured. He's played in 28/43 playoffs games for the Los Angeles Clippers.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 4, 2024 15:24:23 GMT -8
The wrong one is going down. 1 is top 5. The other 2 are top 25-40 guys Which one? I'm just looking at the stats and I don't see any Clipper top 5, except Harden in assists. Is that who you mean? I don't care too much about regular season stats. We have a pretty large sample of how these guys play when they're healthy in the postseason. If you're going to argue that guy is never healthy then I concede cos at this point you can't argue it.
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Post by nuraman00 on May 4, 2024 15:38:19 GMT -8
Which one? I'm just looking at the stats and I don't see any Clipper top 5, except Harden in assists. Is that who you mean? I don't care too much about regular season stats. We have a pretty large sample of how these guys play when they're healthy in the postseason. If you're going to argue that guy is never healthy then I concede cos at this point you can't argue it. Name the top 7 active playoffs performers.
You can pick players from teams that missed this year's playoffs, in case you wanted to consider DeRozan or Morant. Or Curry.
So active meaning within the past few years.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 4, 2024 15:59:11 GMT -8
I don't care too much about regular season stats. We have a pretty large sample of how these guys play when they're healthy in the postseason. If you're going to argue that guy is never healthy then I concede cos at this point you can't argue it. Name the top 7 active playoffs performers.
You can pick players from teams that missed this year's playoffs, in case you wanted to consider DeRozan or Morant. Or Curry.
So active meaning within the past few years.
Off the top of my head so I might miss some guys, but I'll say Curry, Lebron, Kawhi, Murray, Jokic, Booker, Butler. Too early for guys like Shai and Edwards, need a bigger sample. I considered Giannis because he was great in his finals run, but he's also had poor postseasons. Very close with Kyrie too, who's had previous huge postseasons but then was kind of poor in Brooklyn and Boston. You could talk me into that one though. What's your list?
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Post by mistwell on May 4, 2024 16:42:28 GMT -8
If you have 3 max players and another once-max player, you should be able to win in one goes down. Since LAC cannot, then it's time to clean house. ALL of them. Nonsense. First "once a max player" is meaningless; it just means they're no longer a max player and well on the way to a decline. Name the team in the league where, if they lose their clear best player, they would win a hard playoff round? Nuggets lose Jokic? They'd be done for. Mavs lose Luka? Done for. OKC lose SGA? Toast. Who is it you think can lose their clearly best player, and win a series? A game or two sure, but a series? Nope, not this year.
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