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Post by corkscrew on May 17, 2024 11:12:15 GMT -8
Thinking about it some more, I don't think the NBA cares if Inside The NBA gets good ratings. They don't make money off of that. TNT does. They own the content. The NBA makes money off of broadcasting games. So to them, all they care about is who will pay them the most to show games.On the other hand, I think there is some symbiotic benefit to having a highly successful postgame show, even if the NBA doesn't own the content. I'd like to think that the same advertisers that will pay to be on Inside The NBA, because the content is so good and entertaining, would also pay during the game broadcasts themselves. Or vice versa. Because in theory, the viewers of games are the same as the postgame show, and vice versa. I also think the math on streaming services is overlooking one thing. Yes Amazon Prime has 200 million subscribers. But I'd say less than 50% of them are sports fans. Same for Peacock, Apple TV, or whatever. Whereas with TNT and ESPN, all subscribers are sports fans. So you know the audience will watch. Whereas with streaming services, some people may watch sometimes, but they're not as dedicated or consistent. I don't know who is to blame more if a deal with Warner doesn't get done. The NBA, for simply going to the highest bidder, and not caring about keeping the good product they already have? And keeping the social media presence? Or Warner, for not matching the bid? To me, Inside The NBA has become such a fixture, that I have to go through every episode on the DVR to make sure I see the race to the board; the guarantee button; and EJ's Neat O Stat Of The Night. Shaqtin A Fool is almost there, but I can skip it sometimes. TBS MLB show is similar, but to a lesser extent. I will go to the end of the postgame show, to see who Pedro's Daddy is. The NBA’s interest in selling the content may be primarily the price of the sale but it is certainly not the only criteria. The image and the brand promotion are at stake as well. A well produced show enhances the image of the league as well as attracts viewers. International reach, as opposed to only the North American market, is a consideration as well. From the buyer’s point of view, there is an intense battle taking place today in the streaming space. All the major players are racing to catch up with Netflix and fend off threats from newcomers with deep pockets like Apple and Amazon. Streaming has already forced consolidation from the studios: Disney has bought Fox and Warner and Paramount are both on the selling block after talking about a possible merger. And the name of the game in the streaming space is the number of subscribers and the retention of these subscribers. NBC’s calculus may well be that they are willing to not necessarily make much money on the games and the ancillary shows in exchange for attracting and retaining a whole new set of subscribers. |
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Post by nuraman00 on May 17, 2024 11:18:44 GMT -8
Thinking about it some more, I don't think the NBA cares if Inside The NBA gets good ratings. They don't make money off of that. TNT does. They own the content. The NBA makes money off of broadcasting games. So to them, all they care about is who will pay them the most to show games.On the other hand, I think there is some symbiotic benefit to having a highly successful postgame show, even if the NBA doesn't own the content. I'd like to think that the same advertisers that will pay to be on Inside The NBA, because the content is so good and entertaining, would also pay during the game broadcasts themselves. Or vice versa. Because in theory, the viewers of games are the same as the postgame show, and vice versa. I also think the math on streaming services is overlooking one thing. Yes Amazon Prime has 200 million subscribers. But I'd say less than 50% of them are sports fans. Same for Peacock, Apple TV, or whatever. Whereas with TNT and ESPN, all subscribers are sports fans. So you know the audience will watch. Whereas with streaming services, some people may watch sometimes, but they're not as dedicated or consistent. I don't know who is to blame more if a deal with Warner doesn't get done. The NBA, for simply going to the highest bidder, and not caring about keeping the good product they already have? And keeping the social media presence? Or Warner, for not matching the bid? To me, Inside The NBA has become such a fixture, that I have to go through every episode on the DVR to make sure I see the race to the board; the guarantee button; and EJ's Neat O Stat Of The Night. Shaqtin A Fool is almost there, but I can skip it sometimes. TBS MLB show is similar, but to a lesser extent. I will go to the end of the postgame show, to see who Pedro's Daddy is.
The NBA’s interest in selling the content may be primarily the price of the sale but it is certainly not the only criteria. The image and the brand promotion are at stake as well. A well produced show enhances the image of the league as well as attracts viewers. International reach, as opposed to only the North American market, is a consideration as well.From the buyer’s point of view, there is an intense battle taking place today in the streaming space. All the major players are racing to catch up with Netflix and fend off threats from newcomers with deep pockets like Apple and Amazon. Streaming has already forced consolidation from the studios: Disney has bought Fox and Warner and Paramount are both on the selling block after talking about a possible merger. And the name of the game in the streaming space is the number of subscribers and the retention of these subscribers. NBC’s calculus may well be that they are willing to not necessarily make much money on the games and the ancillary shows in exchange for attracting and retaining a whole new set of subscribers. How do you quantify that? Would TNT show that by the number of viewers for their show, vs. what postgame shows on other networks had?
Does TNT have international reach? Does it reach Australia, Europe, Asia? South America?
I think you are right in that if it's on NBC, it will not have the same international reach. It will be much more limited.
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Post by corkscrew on May 17, 2024 11:37:29 GMT -8
The NBA’s interest in selling the content may be primarily the price of the sale but it is certainly not the only criteria. The image and the brand promotion are at stake as well. A well produced show enhances the image of the league as well as attracts viewers. International reach, as opposed to only the North American market, is a consideration as well.From the buyer’s point of view, there is an intense battle taking place today in the streaming space. All the major players are racing to catch up with Netflix and fend off threats from newcomers with deep pockets like Apple and Amazon. Streaming has already forced consolidation from the studios: Disney has bought Fox and Warner and Paramount are both on the selling block after talking about a possible merger. And the name of the game in the streaming space is the number of subscribers and the retention of these subscribers. NBC’s calculus may well be that they are willing to not necessarily make much money on the games and the ancillary shows in exchange for attracting and retaining a whole new set of subscribers. How do you quantify that? Would TNT show that by the number of viewers for their show, vs. what postgame shows on other networks had?
Does TNT have international reach? Does it reach Australia, Europe, Asia? South America?
I think you are right in that if it's on NBC, it will not have the same international reach. It will be much more limited.
I am not familiar with the numbers but I would guess that NBC has a greater international reach than TNT, though it remains to be seen what market(s) NBC would have the rights to if they make a deal. I have seen NBA games whenever I have travelled in Europe so clearly the NBA makes separate deals for separate markets. And yes, ratings indicate popularity, and perhaps more importantly, rating increases over the years. Again just guessing here, but I would think that the ratings for Inside the NBA have probably increased steadily over the years. A lot of moving parts... It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. |
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Post by v-ice on May 17, 2024 14:05:59 GMT -8
ESPN usually have games on Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun
What is left for NBC?
During the week is pretty much news and shows.
I highly doubt ESPN would give NBC a weekend shot.
It will probably be on streaming peacock…
Which is sad.
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Post by corkscrew on May 17, 2024 14:16:10 GMT -8
ESPN usually have games on Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun What is left for NBC? During the week is pretty much news and shows. I highly doubt ESPN would give NBC a weekend shot. It will probably be on streaming peacock…Which is sad. On the flip side, we may be able to watch a game without having to endure the mind-numbing, repetitious loops of commercials about buffalo wings and piss-quality beers... |
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 17, 2024 15:20:27 GMT -8
The ESPN pre and post game show is unbelievably bad sometimes. Like guys who are clueless about basketball. And not that the TNT guys are the best analysts in the world, but at least they're entertaining and do bring in some different perspectives. I'm not sure what it is about those ESPN shows, but the topics suck and the analysis is basically hot take type stuff. To the point where I'd prefer to just tune into NBA TV and watch the post game interviews, which aren't particularly entertaining either but the commentary in between is at least a bit better. How in the world is Kendrick Perkins employed? Not only does he say stupid things, he also sounds very dumb.
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Post by corkscrew on May 17, 2024 15:41:37 GMT -8
The ESPN pre and post game show is unbelievably bad sometimes. Like guys who are clueless about basketball. And not that the TNT guys are the best analysts in the world, but at least they're entertaining and do bring in some different perspectives. I'm not sure what it is about those ESPN shows, but the topics suck and the analysis is basically hot take type stuff. To the point where I'd prefer to just tune into NBA TV and watch the post game interviews, which aren't particularly entertaining either but the commentary in between is at least a bit better. How in the world is Kendrick Perkins employed? Not only does he say stupid things, he also sounds very dumb. What I would really like to see is a show that focuses more on the Xs and Os in depth and less on the entertaining aspects, tough by definition, if it's less entertaining it would not have ratings success. But I still think there would be enough of an audience to make such a program viable. What does a coach and a team do to prepare for the next game, watching film, figuring out players tendencies and vulnerabilities, defensive schemes, etc.? I would watch such a show, and I know 3-4 people who would as well... That's a start... |
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 17, 2024 16:03:06 GMT -8
The ESPN pre and post game show is unbelievably bad sometimes. Like guys who are clueless about basketball. And not that the TNT guys are the best analysts in the world, but at least they're entertaining and do bring in some different perspectives. I'm not sure what it is about those ESPN shows, but the topics suck and the analysis is basically hot take type stuff. To the point where I'd prefer to just tune into NBA TV and watch the post game interviews, which aren't particularly entertaining either but the commentary in between is at least a bit better. How in the world is Kendrick Perkins employed? Not only does he say stupid things, he also sounds very dumb. What I would really like to see is a show that focuses more on the Xs and Os in depth and less on the entertaining aspects, tough by definition, if it's less entertaining it would not have ratings success. But I still think there would be enough of an audience to make such a program viable. What does a coach and a team do to prepare for the next game, watching film, figuring out players tendencies and vulnerabilities, defensive schemes, etc.? I would watch such a show, and I know 3-4 people who would as well... That's a start... You can find them, but you'd never see it on mainstream TV. I would take it over Stephen A. Smith and Kendrick Perkins no doubt. It's just crazy that ESPN hasn't been able to figure this out for like 20 years or whatever. |
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Post by nuraman00 on May 17, 2024 20:06:33 GMT -8
ESPN usually have games on Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun What is left for NBC? During the week is pretty much news and shows. I highly doubt ESPN would give NBC a weekend shot. It will probably be on streaming peacock…Which is sad. On the flip side, we may be able to watch a game without having to endure the mind-numbing, repetitious loops of commercials about buffalo wings and piss-quality beers... The Wingstop commercial is really annoying.
Streaming will have their own commercials, which can't be skipped, probably.
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Post by nuraman00 on May 17, 2024 20:08:13 GMT -8
The ESPN pre and post game show is unbelievably bad sometimes. Like guys who are clueless about basketball. And not that the TNT guys are the best analysts in the world, but at least they're entertaining and do bring in some different perspectives. I'm not sure what it is about those ESPN shows, but the topics suck and the analysis is basically hot take type stuff. To the point where I'd prefer to just tune into NBA TV and watch the post game interviews, which aren't particularly entertaining either but the commentary in between is at least a bit better. How in the world is Kendrick Perkins employed? Not only does he say stupid things, he also sounds very dumb. For the NBA Finals, I typically head straight to NBA TV afterwards.
I'll at least get live press conference from players and coaches, and that's good enough.
Yes, ESPN pre and post is bad.
And for halftime, they have about 12 minutes of commercials.
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Post by nuraman00 on May 17, 2024 20:14:36 GMT -8
The ESPN pre and post game show is unbelievably bad sometimes. Like guys who are clueless about basketball. And not that the TNT guys are the best analysts in the world, but at least they're entertaining and do bring in some different perspectives. I'm not sure what it is about those ESPN shows, but the topics suck and the analysis is basically hot take type stuff. To the point where I'd prefer to just tune into NBA TV and watch the post game interviews, which aren't particularly entertaining either but the commentary in between is at least a bit better. How in the world is Kendrick Perkins employed? Not only does he say stupid things, he also sounds very dumb. What I would really like to see is a show that focuses more on the Xs and Os in depth and less on the entertaining aspects, tough by definition, if it's less entertaining it would not have ratings success. But I still think there would be enough of an audience to make such a program viable. What does a coach and a team do to prepare for the next game, watching film, figuring out players tendencies and vulnerabilities, defensive schemes, etc.? I would watch such a show, and I know 3-4 people who would as well... That's a start... I generally like Mike Fratello and Hubie Brown as color commentators, for that sort of thing.
It seems like Fratello hasn't been a color commentator for a while, on TNT. I'm not sure when his last TNT year was.
How many games does he do for the Clippers?
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 17, 2024 22:28:19 GMT -8
On the flip side, we may be able to watch a game without having to endure the mind-numbing, repetitious loops of commercials about buffalo wings and piss-quality beers... The Wingstop commercial is really annoying.
Streaming will have their own commercials, which can't be skipped, probably.
I don't remember it being this bad before. The Wingstop one is definitely the worst, I cringe every time I hear that song now. I don't understand how these companies all thought it'd be a good idea to play the same exact commercial over and over. Burger King and the Chet/SGA singing one also extremely annoying and were being played nearly every commercial break. Has this somehow been found to get a better return on ad spend? |
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Post by corkscrew on May 17, 2024 22:41:18 GMT -8
I’ve gotten around the problem during the regular season by watching the games later and fast-forwarding through the commercials. All my friends know better than to text me any comment on the game in real time.
But I can’t do that during the playoffs, and I get even more annoyed because I have been spoiled throughout the season and now I have to suffer through the horseshit.
I watch League Pass when the team is on the road and I just watch the dancers and the silly kiss-cams and T-shirt tosses during the breaks. Much more sufferable than the damn commercials.
BTW, I have found that the older I get, the more I sympathize with that man: What the hell are they doing on his lawn, anyway?!
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Post by nuraman00 on May 18, 2024 5:32:54 GMT -8
The Wingstop commercial is really annoying.
Streaming will have their own commercials, which can't be skipped, probably.
I don't remember it being this bad before. The Wingstop one is definitely the worst, I cringe every time I hear that song now. I don't understand how these companies all thought it'd be a good idea to play the same exact commercial over and over. Burger King and the Chet/SGA singing one also extremely annoying and were being played nearly every commercial break. Has this somehow been found to get a better return on ad spend? Not only is the Wingstop song bad, but the acting is bad too. I remember thinking during March Madness that even those commercials were worse than normal. Part of my NBA Finals prediction thread is sometimes what movie promo will be associated with the Finals? I think we have probably already seen the movie promo, but even if we haven't, I think it will be less annoying than some of these commercials. |
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Post by nuraman00 on May 18, 2024 5:36:38 GMT -8
I am just as likely to watch playoff games on the DVR, and skip commercials, as I am watch live. Depends on the day. I have also gotten the League Pass in arena stream version, for a few years, because it beats the commercials. The previous few seasons, I think basketcase and I were regular commenters about the halftime acts. I think he Crappervision or a different service, this past season. |
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