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Post by clipanswerman on Sept 30, 2024 10:16:33 GMT -8
Paul George today: 'This is the first time I've ever played with an elite point guard and an elite center'.
Paul George is like Doc Rivers: Comes in with a great reputation, shits the bed, and then blames everyone else as he walks out the door.
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Post by clipanswerman on Sept 30, 2024 14:35:45 GMT -8
Kawhi's a fucking idiot for choosing this guy over Shai, Gallo and draft picks. LOL. Go read the 'we should trade Paul George' threads - check out your posts. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Sept 30, 2024 14:37:01 GMT -8
Kawhi's a fucking idiot for choosing this guy over Shai, Gallo and draft picks. At the time PG was an MVP candidate and SGA was genuinely not all that awesome of a youngster. He was good, but despite so many Clippers fans claiming they said he would be a top player back then, they didn't. Nor was he listed on any "future great" lists, or contending for ROY, or putting up incredible numbers for his age, or anything like that. Shamet's 3pt shot was considered almost as valuable and there was honest debate at the time over who would be better, SGA or Shamet (though SGA often came out ahead in those debates). So no I don't think Kawhi was an idiot for choosing a current MVP candidate over a kid almost nobody cared much about at the time and some picks and an overpaid underwhelming injury prone player (Gallo). Ah yes, the Trapp, 'at the time' argument. You don't evaluate a trade by 'at the time'. You evaluate trades by how they turned out. This one was bad for sure. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Sept 30, 2024 14:37:33 GMT -8
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Post by clipanswerman on Sept 30, 2024 14:40:41 GMT -8
Powell's quote is telling in that players saw what I saw. The team wasn't necessarily better when Paul George was doing his thang. I've said this before: You're not going to win a championship if Paul George is your best or second best player. But you will have a higher floor with him than without him. He will have great games against bad teams. Without him, we might lose more of those games - we probably will. But this was a case of you have to take one step back to go two steps forward. I'm fine with a bad season or low expectations this year. It was way, way, way past time to get rid of him. My only regret here is that we didn't trade him and get something valuable for him, something we certainly could have done at any time over the past four years. |
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Post by gilp5 on Sept 30, 2024 21:27:39 GMT -8
I argued that the Clippers should not pay him a max contract and his true value was not a max contract (even though he might get that from some dumb team). I was heavily criticized for that argument.
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Post by clipps on Oct 9, 2024 2:26:43 GMT -8
Kawhi's a fucking idiot for choosing this guy over Shai, Gallo and draft picks. LOL. Go read the 'we should trade Paul George' threads - check out your posts. How about you post the fucking link so I don't have to go search for it, asshole. |
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Post by mistwell on Oct 14, 2024 17:55:30 GMT -8
With around eight minutes left in the second quarter of Monday’s preseason game against the Atlanta Hawks, Paul George was guarding Jalen Johnson when he got bumped in the paint, causing him to stumble backwards. As he tried to regain his balance, his left knee buckled and he went to the ground.
Per Gina Mizell of the Philly Inquirer, George hyperextended his knee.
On an unrelated note, Embid said he will not play back to back games for the rest of his career.
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Post by v-ice on Oct 15, 2024 13:10:17 GMT -8
Philadelphia 76ers star Paul George has a bone bruise and no structural damage to his left knee and will be re-evaluated in approximately one week, team says.
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Post by clipps on Oct 15, 2024 18:22:47 GMT -8
Kawhi's a fucking idiot for choosing this guy over Shai, Gallo and draft picks. At the time PG was an MVP candidate and SGA was genuinely not all that awesome of a youngster. He was good, but despite so many Clippers fans claiming they said he would be a top player back then, they didn't. Nor was he listed on any "future great" lists, or contending for ROY, or putting up incredible numbers for his age, or anything like that. Shamet's 3pt shot was considered almost as valuable and there was honest debate at the time over who would be better, SGA or Shamet (though SGA often came out ahead in those debates). So no I don't think Kawhi was an idiot for choosing a current MVP candidate over a kid almost nobody cared much about at the time and some picks and an overpaid underwhelming injury prone player (Gallo). Kawhi made his bed and now he's lying in it. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Oct 15, 2024 21:27:57 GMT -8
At the time PG was an MVP candidate and SGA was genuinely not all that awesome of a youngster. He was good, but despite so many Clippers fans claiming they said he would be a top player back then, they didn't. Nor was he listed on any "future great" lists, or contending for ROY, or putting up incredible numbers for his age, or anything like that. Shamet's 3pt shot was considered almost as valuable and there was honest debate at the time over who would be better, SGA or Shamet (though SGA often came out ahead in those debates). So no I don't think Kawhi was an idiot for choosing a current MVP candidate over a kid almost nobody cared much about at the time and some picks and an overpaid underwhelming injury prone player (Gallo). Kawhi made his bed and now he's lying in it. It's crazy that it's essentially a mistake that costs you about 15 years. We were the team stocked with a young superstar, good contracts and tons of picks. If we had managed that correctly, we'd be a team hitting it's prime and full of young talent and flexibility. Instead we're old, have no picks and are salary capped. We don't own our own pick outright until 2030 so we couldn't even begin to really rebuild until then and who knows how long that would take from there. Obviously, the past 5 years were supposed to have been the pay off for that so it's a bummer that never materialized. |
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Post by mistwell on Oct 16, 2024 10:07:53 GMT -8
Kawhi made his bed and now he's lying in it. It's crazy that it's essentially a mistake that costs you about 15 years. We were the team stocked with a young superstar, good contracts and tons of picks. If we had managed that correctly, we'd be a team hitting it's prime and full of young talent and flexibility. Instead we're old, have no picks and are salary capped. We don't own our own pick outright until 2030 so we couldn't even begin to really rebuild until then and who knows how long that would take from there. Obviously, the past 5 years were supposed to have been the pay off for that so it's a bummer that never materialized. SGA has still not won much. I think he can, but that's still future-looking, and I think he's around his peak and they're depending on others to surround him in time. Most of those others are not from the trade. I think Kawhi and SGA would have been a bit worse than Kawhi and PG have done over this period of time because the first couple years of that time SGA wasn't great. We would not have been young. We had SGA and Shamet (who turned out to be not so good). The rest of the roster was mostly old or bad or both. Avery Bradly, Angel Delgado, Gortat, Trez, Tobias Harris, Boba, Luc Mbah, Temple, Thornwell, that's a lot of garbage, and not "good contracts". Two of those ended up being some of the most overpaid players in the league, and most are out of the league and were not good. We did have Lou Will, Pat Bev, and Zu, but that's not a great team there and it surely isn't young and Lou and Pat are both out of the league now too. OKC built mostly with their own picks and some other teams picks, not with those Clippers picks except for one good role player they got through one of our picks. Otherwise most of their Clippers picks are wait and see, and they're not top picks. Nor would the picks have turned out better on the Clippers: we never had a GM who was going to knock it out of the park with picks and had a string of draft failures to his name. We likely would have done worse than OKC has done with those picks given our track record and theirs. How did this cost us 15 years? We took a shot, got to the WCF for the first time, and now are positioned well to rebuild. We've done overall better than OKC did over that time frame. We have the longest streak of winning seasons in the NBA right now and have for a while now. Maybe we will fail going forward, but maybe we won't. It surely didn't cost us 15 years because we're not a team which builds through the draft and I think we never will be with this GM. We do however trade well, and find gems in free agency and off waivers. Those are our GM's strengths, and we've done OK using those strengths. |
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Post by gilp5 on Oct 16, 2024 11:06:18 GMT -8
It's crazy that it's essentially a mistake that costs you about 15 years. We were the team stocked with a young superstar, good contracts and tons of picks. If we had managed that correctly, we'd be a team hitting it's prime and full of young talent and flexibility. Instead we're old, have no picks and are salary capped. We don't own our own pick outright until 2030 so we couldn't even begin to really rebuild until then and who knows how long that would take from there. Obviously, the past 5 years were supposed to have been the pay off for that so it's a bummer that never materialized. SGA has still not won much. I think he can, but that's still future-looking, and I think he's around his peak and they're depending on others to surround him in time. Most of those others are not from the trade. I think Kawhi and SGA would have been a bit worse than Kawhi and PG have done over this period of time because the first couple years of that time SGA wasn't great. We would not have been young. We had SGA and Shamet (who turned out to be not so good). The rest of the roster was mostly old or bad or both. Avery Bradly, Angel Delgado, Gortat, Trez, Tobias Harris, Boba, Luc Mbah, Temple, Thornwell, that's a lot of garbage, and not "good contracts". Two of those ended up being some of the most overpaid players in the league, and most are out of the league and were not good. We did have Lou Will, Pat Bev, and Zu, but that's not a great team there and it surely isn't young and Lou and Pat are both out of the league now too. OKC built mostly with their own picks and some other teams picks, not with those Clippers picks except for one good role player they got through one of our picks. Otherwise most of their Clippers picks are wait and see, and they're not top picks. Nor would the picks have turned out better on the Clippers: we never had a GM who was going to knock it out of the park with picks and had a string of draft failures to his name. We likely would have done worse than OKC has done with those picks given our track record and theirs. How did this cost us 15 years? We took a shot, got to the WCF for the first time, and now are positioned well to rebuild. We've done overall better than OKC did over that time frame. We have the longest streak of winning seasons in the NBA right now and have for a while now. Maybe we will fail going forward, but maybe we won't. It surely didn't cost us 15 years because we're not a team which builds through the draft and I think we never will be with this GM. We do however trade well, and find gems in free agency and off waivers. Those are our GM's strengths, and we've done OK using those strengths. It would not have been "Kawhi and SGA." It would have been Kawhi, SGA, and whoever else they could have got in trade for the picks. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 16, 2024 11:47:45 GMT -8
It's crazy that it's essentially a mistake that costs you about 15 years. We were the team stocked with a young superstar, good contracts and tons of picks. If we had managed that correctly, we'd be a team hitting it's prime and full of young talent and flexibility. Instead we're old, have no picks and are salary capped. We don't own our own pick outright until 2030 so we couldn't even begin to really rebuild until then and who knows how long that would take from there. Obviously, the past 5 years were supposed to have been the pay off for that so it's a bummer that never materialized. We have the longest streak of winning seasons in the NBA right now and have for a while now. I was surprised with it, so tried to fact check it. I see 13 winning seasons. What sticks out is 6 first round exits. That reminds me of the Jazz from the late 80s to 2001, who had 5 first round exits between 1989 - 2001. The similarities are, in those 13 year spans: First round: 6 Clippers, 5 Jazz 2nd round: 4 Clippers, 3 Jazz Conference Finals: 1 Clippers, 3 Jazz NBA Finals: 0 Clippers, 2 Jazz The Bucks would have been my initial guess, but looks like the Clippers have 5 more years over them: champsorchumps.us/streak/longest-nba-winning-record-streak#tab-streak-current |
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Post by corkscrew on Oct 18, 2024 11:44:51 GMT -8
SGA has still not won much. I think he can, but that's still future-looking, and I think he's around his peak and they're depending on others to surround him in time. Most of those others are not from the trade. I think Kawhi and SGA would have been a bit worse than Kawhi and PG have done over this period of time because the first couple years of that time SGA wasn't great. We would not have been young. We had SGA and Shamet (who turned out to be not so good). The rest of the roster was mostly old or bad or both. Avery Bradly, Angel Delgado, Gortat, Trez, Tobias Harris, Boba, Luc Mbah, Temple, Thornwell, that's a lot of garbage, and not "good contracts". Two of those ended up being some of the most overpaid players in the league, and most are out of the league and were not good. We did have Lou Will, Pat Bev, and Zu, but that's not a great team there and it surely isn't young and Lou and Pat are both out of the league now too. OKC built mostly with their own picks and some other teams picks, not with those Clippers picks except for one good role player they got through one of our picks. Otherwise most of their Clippers picks are wait and see, and they're not top picks. Nor would the picks have turned out better on the Clippers: we never had a GM who was going to knock it out of the park with picks and had a string of draft failures to his name. We likely would have done worse than OKC has done with those picks given our track record and theirs. How did this cost us 15 years? We took a shot, got to the WCF for the first time, and now are positioned well to rebuild. We've done overall better than OKC did over that time frame. We have the longest streak of winning seasons in the NBA right now and have for a while now. Maybe we will fail going forward, but maybe we won't. It surely didn't cost us 15 years because we're not a team which builds through the draft and I think we never will be with this GM. We do however trade well, and find gems in free agency and off waivers. Those are our GM's strengths, and we've done OK using those strengths. It would not have been "Kawhi and SGA." It would have been Kawhi, SGA, and whoever else they could have got in trade for the picks. Actually, it would have been Kawhi + SGA + probably Jimmy Butler (We had room for 2 max players and he was available) + whoever else they could have got in trade or in drafts for the picks. |
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