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Post by clipsentuboca on Mar 5, 2019 15:29:58 GMT -8
Got to watch from start-to-finish and this Clipper team is just playing really scrappy, hard, and tough. Vets are tough (P-Bev junkyard dog defense, Gallo keeps the same disposition hit or miss this mostly hits, Trezz is a monster down low, Lou-Will icey cold), new guys are fitting in well (Green is hitting 40% from deep and like Temple too), and the youngsters are playing with confidence (Zub, SAG, Sham). Wallace probably had the worst game of anyone last night and I still have always liked his game. This team is going places.
Excited for the playoffs this year, but imagine another year of growth for SAG, Sham, Zub and adding a Kawhi? Oh me, oh my…Ralph will need to un-retire.
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Post by clipps on Mar 5, 2019 15:59:47 GMT -8
Speaking of Beverley, anyone notice he was the 1st person to Kuzma's aide after he tweaked his ankle? Not another Laker around him.
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Post by tullabye on Mar 5, 2019 16:10:58 GMT -8
Speaking of Beverley, anyone notice he was the 1st person to Kuzma's aide after he tweaked his ankle? Not another Laker around him. Good observation. I usually agree with Dyce but saying that Beverley is considered a dirty player by some teams is questionable. Hard nosed absolutely, dirty...no way. |
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Post by clipps on Mar 5, 2019 16:20:01 GMT -8
Beverley is only considered a dirty player because of his incident with Westbrook, which did look pretty bad I'm.
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 5, 2019 16:24:15 GMT -8
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Post by clipps on Mar 5, 2019 16:44:29 GMT -8
Lakers, Suns, Knicks, Cavs, Kings, and Wolves are easily the most dysfunctional franchises in basketball. There’s absolutely no excuse missing the playoffs with Jebron Lames.
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Post by mistwell on Mar 5, 2019 16:53:11 GMT -8
All you naive folks who thought Luke Walton was a better coach that Doc Rivers should be eating crow today. You won't, but you should be. Almost every single Lakers fan would make that trade this second without a second thought. I doubt Luke Walton ever gets a head coaching job again in his life. I put more emphasis on the front office. It's more about Frank putting together a better roster than Earvin Johnson. Clippers have more talent. The front office, to me, usually has a bigger impact than the coach. Rivers is not in my top 11 for sure. When I do evaluate coaching, I don't go by wins. Didn't you refer to Walton's wins with GSW when he was a temporary head coach to justify your saying he was good just a couple weeks ago? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 9:51:08 GMT -8
I put more emphasis on the front office. It's more about Frank putting together a better roster than Earvin Johnson. Clippers have more talent. The front office, to me, usually has a bigger impact than the coach. Rivers is not in my top 11 for sure. When I do evaluate coaching, I don't go by wins. Didn't you refer to Walton's wins with GSW when he was a temporary head coach to justify your saying he was good just a couple weeks ago? I did, but wins aren't a main emphasis for me for coaching in general. I wasn't the only one that mentioned his sample size in Golden State either. clipps mentioned it here: clippertalk.proboards.com/thread/110/roy-predictions?page=3&scrollTo=3155I look at lineups, substitutions, and systems more than wins. And during some games, coaching isn't why a game result occurred, more than the players or the roster put around them. For example, I thought coaching had little impact on the 2008 Finals. On another note, Johnson is starting to take some criticism now in the media. Jonas Knox on Fox Sports Radio talked about him a few weeks ago. Today, Grant Napear said that if Vlade Divac had been GM of the Lakers instead of Johnson, and made those same moves, Divac would have gotten fired 6 months ago. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 10:02:21 GMT -8
I also think the Lakers look a lot better than I thought they would, at the start of the year, on offense. So to me, that's some credit to using the players better.
They're not good at defense, but I didn't expect much once I saw the type of players they signed. Rondo hasn't been a good defender since 2011.
There used to be a Vine of him from a Kings-Jazz game, in 2015-2016, where the opening tip jump ball landed in the back court for the Jazz, and Rondo got taken coast to coast on the opening drive of the game.
I can't remember a guard being scored on, from the back court, after a jump ball, like that, while attempting to defend the likes of Raul Neto full court.
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Post by mistwell on Mar 6, 2019 10:10:40 GMT -8
Didn't you refer to Walton's wins with GSW when he was a temporary head coach to justify your saying he was good just a couple weeks ago? I did, but wins aren't a main emphasis for me for coaching in general. I wasn't the only one that mentioned his sample size in Golden State either. clipps mentioned it here: clippertalk.proboards.com/thread/110/roy-predictions?page=3&scrollTo=3155I look at lineups, substitutions, and systems more than wins. And during some games, coaching isn't why a game result occurred, more than the players or the roster put around them. For example, I thought coaching had little impact on the 2008 Finals. On another note, Johnson is starting to take some criticism now in the media. Jonas Knox on Fox Sports Radio talked about him a few weeks ago. Today, Grant Napear said that if Vlade Divac had been GM of the Lakers instead of Johnson, and made those same moves, Divac would have gotten fired 6 months ago. I didn't say you were the only one, I said you recently cited that as a reason you liked Walton as a coach, and then followed them up by saying wins isn't how you judge a coach. It's a contradiction and you appear to be trying to distance yourself from it now by saying other people mentioned it and claiming it's about lineups (which you didn't emphasize when you made those comments initially). As for it being players on the roster, Walton ALSO had that advantage with GSW. And now he's flailing, with the best player in the NBA and at least two other pretty good players on that roster. And rather than talk about those things, which the entire world is seeing right now, you're conveniently distracting from those as well. Bottom line, Walton appears right now to be a bad coach. Certainly worse than Doc Rivers. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 10:15:36 GMT -8
Whenever I think of Lakers defense, I think of the bad kind. From game recaps such as this: +++++++++++++++++++ www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=261206013LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The guard slashing to the basket and blowing by defenders on the way down the court wasn't Kobe Bryant. Chris Paul upstaged the Lakers' superstar with 26 points and 11 rebounds in the New Orleans Hornets' 105-89 victory Wednesday night that snapped their season-high five-game losing streak. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Or, these games when the Charlotte Hornets beat the Lakers. I wasn't doing daily predictions on every game at at time like I am doing this year, but I was doing a predictions game that someone was running where we pick some noticeable results. The Hornets were 7 - 2 against the Lakers in the Gerald Wallace era, and IMO it was because of Gerald Wallace's slashing. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 10:27:26 GMT -8
I did, but wins aren't a main emphasis for me for coaching in general. I wasn't the only one that mentioned his sample size in Golden State either. clipps mentioned it here: clippertalk.proboards.com/thread/110/roy-predictions?page=3&scrollTo=3155I look at lineups, substitutions, and systems more than wins. And during some games, coaching isn't why a game result occurred, more than the players or the roster put around them. For example, I thought coaching had little impact on the 2008 Finals. On another note, Johnson is starting to take some criticism now in the media. Jonas Knox on Fox Sports Radio talked about him a few weeks ago. Today, Grant Napear said that if Vlade Divac had been GM of the Lakers instead of Johnson, and made those same moves, Divac would have gotten fired 6 months ago. I didn't say you were the only one, I said you recently cited that as a reason you liked Walton as a coach, and then followed them up by saying wins isn't how you judge a coach. It's a contradiction and you appear to be trying to distance yourself from it now by saying other people mentioned it and claiming it's about lineups (which you didn't emphasize when you made those comments initially). As for it being players on the roster, Walton ALSO had that advantage with GSW. And now he's flailing, with the best player in the NBA and at least two other pretty good players on that roster. And rather than talk about those things, which the entire world is seeing right now, you're conveniently distracting from those as well. Bottom line, Walton appears right now to be a bad coach. Certainly worse than Doc Rivers. I'm not distracting from it. I've been chatting about what I think of coaching for years. I didn't think I had to repeat all of the past conversations or past viewpoints. For example, trapp76 has repeated several times over the years that he thinks many coaches over think things, and that he doesn't put as much of an emphasis on coaching either. So I know where he stands on those things. corkscrew doesn't like micro-managing coaches, and views Dunleavy Sr. as one of those. He uses the analogy of having people grow by thinking for themselves, as an example of why he likes coaches that don't always control plays. I thought the talk about lineups, with respect to my views, would have been carried over from past threads / discussions. I just don't see the pretty good players, especially when taking defense into account, as others do. Harrell, Lou Williams, Gallinari are better than any 2nd best player on the Lakers. Ok, then, if it sounds like I'm contradicting myself, then wins aren't why I think Walton is ok. When he had a roster with better defensive players, he could have better lineups. He doesn't have that right now this year IMO. Too many lackluster defensive players. So, the GM gave him a bad roster. As I've mentioned, I've been doing picks for every game this season (I started Nov. 12th, not at the beginning of the year, because I didn't know if I wanted to play.) I picked the Lakers to lose a lot at the beginning, because I didn't like their roster. Then I picked them to win a little more, when they did better than I thought. Now I've been back to picking them losing. To me, I only liked Rivers as a coach in Orlando. I couldn't get into him in Boston, I preferred Jim O'Brien over him. O'Brien was for previous Celtics coach. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 10:39:10 GMT -8
Sometimes, things are with respect to one's own expectations. I didn't like the Lakers moves in the offseason, so I didn't expect much.
In 2015-2016, I had the Jazz challenging for a top 4 spot, and they ended up missing the playoffs. I was a year too early on them. But to me, they were a disappointment that year.
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 6, 2019 11:17:45 GMT -8
On another side note, I said a few years ago, that the past few years that the Clippers play in one of the easier divisions IMO, because they usually get 9, 10, or 11 wins against the Lakers, Kings, and Suns. Usually 10 or 11.
They are 10-1 this year, with 1 more to play.
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Post by trapp76 on Mar 6, 2019 11:32:53 GMT -8
Anyone still think we are battling the Lakers for the playoffs? Trapp? Clipps? Anyone? Maybe it's time to stop talking about them? Yeah now that we won this game, the Lakers are done. |
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