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Post by mistwell on Oct 27, 2024 19:24:50 GMT -8
These guys are genuinely fun to watch.
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Post by v-ice on Oct 27, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -8
Stress free to watch this Clippers team. No expectations
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Post by mistwell on Oct 27, 2024 21:16:48 GMT -8
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Post by hitnrun24 on Oct 27, 2024 22:40:17 GMT -8
Harden's load has been a little too big right now. I get that he wants it and that if/when Kawhi returns he can lessen it a bit, but he's gotten a bit sloppy in every 4th and it's understandable with how much he's doing. His chemistry with Zu has been incredible though. We passed up on easy buckets for Zu all year last year that were there for the taking so that other guys could get possessions. Norm being able to run the offense with Harden out would help a ton, but I understand that this team needs his scoring too much.
So far Porter reminds me of Westbrook. Freak athlete, but defense can manipulate him into tough positions and he's not a good enough shooter to hit those shots. His misses are way off and even his make in this one was ugly- 3 that banked in. Not sure how Harden rests with Porter being this bad. I love Dunn, but he doesn't look capable of creating offense. Can Miller do it, or at least share the role? Bones is the other guy who can play point, but you get the negatives there too. Definitely would be better than this version of Porter though.
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Post by jglanton on Oct 28, 2024 9:29:53 GMT -8
After three games we have:
League leader in ASTS: Harden
League leader in REBS: Zub
League 2nd place in 2-pt shots: Zub 29
Two top-10 leaders in minutes played: Harden, Zub
Player with 5th most FT attempts: Harden
8th best team in opp FG%.
Worst team in opponent steals.
One of the worst team 3pt% at 31.
3rd worst team TOs per game: 19
One of the league leaders in missed shots: Harden 37
League coleader in TOs: Harden: 20
Clearly this team will improve in 3-pt shooting and turnovers. If they can do that while maintaining the defensive energy** they'll be a playoff team. Harden's and Zub's minutes and performance will likely tone down soon. And Mann will make a shot, I swear.
** It's non unprecedented that they start off with big defensive energy and find it gone by January. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by gilp5 on Oct 28, 2024 9:41:23 GMT -8
After three games we have: League leader in ASTS: Harden League leader in REBS: Zub League 2nd place in 2-pt shots: Zub 29 Two top-10 leaders in minutes played: Harden, Zub Player with 5th most FT attempts: Harden 8th best team in opp FG%. Worst team in opponent steals. One of the worst team 3pt% at 31. 3rd worst team TOs per game: 19 One of the league leaders in missed shots: Harden 37 League coleader in TOs: Harden: 20 Clearly this team will improve in 3-pt shooting and turnovers. If they can do that while maintaining the defensive energy** they'll be a playoff team. ** It's non unprecedented that they start off with big defensive energy and find it gone by January. We'll have to wait and see. Keep in mind this is without Kawhi (if he ever returns) |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Oct 28, 2024 13:09:24 GMT -8
Harden is just not currently capable of this role and being efficient in it, but I think we are making good use of what he does and you just have to take the bad with the good given the other options for offense. The spots he is getting Zu the ball have really been key in Zu making this leap. A lot of his passing brilliance was wasted with PG and Kawhi who want to create on their own, but Zu in space from 10 feet out has been hard to defend. He probably should be at 32-33 minutes though to take this load on. Or a more capable secondary playmaker to give him more rest. The great thing about Harden though is that he's up for it and is an iron man historically. You won't hear him bitching to the media or FO that this is too much and he needs help.
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 29, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -8
Kris Dunn is such a good defender Don't understand why the Jazz let him go. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 29, 2024 14:18:07 GMT -8
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Post by jglanton on Oct 29, 2024 14:29:39 GMT -8
Kris Dunn is such a good defender Don't understand why the Jazz let him go. Odd man out with Sexton, George, Jordan Clarkson. And now Patty Mills. He normally can't shoot and isn't much of a playmaker. He seems much better as a Clipper so far, but lets see how he looks after 20 games. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Oct 29, 2024 15:42:14 GMT -8
Also Jazz aren't trying to win games with role players. They're looking to develop young talent like George, who's playing more minutes than other players. 30 year old Dunn blocks those other guys and gets them further from Flagg. But he honestly looks like Jrue level of a defender with a very mediocre offensive game.
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 29, 2024 20:30:11 GMT -8
Don't understand why the Jazz let him go. Odd man out with Sexton, George, Jordan Clarkson. And now Patty Mills. He normally can't shoot and isn't much of a playmaker. He seems much better as a Clipper so far, but lets see how he looks after 20 games. Yes, but most players in the NBA don't play defense.
The notion of "3 and D" guys is generally applied blindly by broadcasters, whereas most players don't play defense. They're 3 and O guys.
Dunn, on the other hand, plays defense.
He also shot 47% and 36% from 3 the last two seasons. To me, that is good enough to be qualified as a 3 point shooter.
I would put the cutoff at 33%. So a player sub 33% would not be a 3 point player.
All of those players you listed on the Jazz are offensive players. They could have actually used a perimeter defense.
Well George isn't even an offensive player yet, his FG% sucks. Both last year and this year.
George had a 19 PER two seasons ago.
12 PER last year.
A 12 PER, if it's a player that brings a needed skill, is still acceptable to me.
When I watched Dunn the past two years, he seemed perfect in a TJ McConnell like role. I actually wanted Dunn to start for a while, when I lost confidence in Sexton, Horton-Tucker, and George being the right guys for the starting lineup.
Think Dunn would have helped stabilize them, especially 2 years ago when they almost made the play-in.
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Post by nuraman00 on Oct 29, 2024 20:43:33 GMT -8
Also Jazz aren't trying to win games with role players. They're looking to develop young talent like George, who's playing more minutes than other players. 30 year old Dunn blocks those other guys and gets them further from Flagg. But he honestly looks like Jrue level of a defender with a very mediocre offensive game. Yes, but George hasn't proven himself to be a starting PG yet.
There's room for Dunn.
And the other guys they had, Sexton, Horton-Tucker were veterans. They could have always reduced their minutes.
Until a player is ready to really be the starting PG, you still want some pros who make the right plays and don't make mistakes.
It's a little like Chris Paul in Oklahoma City. When the Thunder got him, I was one of the few that thought they were going to keep him for the whole season, because his presence would help Gilgeous-Alexander.
They found a way to both develop Gilgeous-Alexander, and have Chris Paul mentor him. And then when the Thunder made the playoffs, Chris Paul was the lead guard in that 1st round playoffs series.
There are differences between Kris Dunn and Chris Paul; and Keyonte George and Gilgeous-Alexander. But if the other options around the Jazz were Sexton and Horton-Tucker, well Sexton was well established by that point. He wasn't going to get better.
There was a chance Horton-Tucker could have improved, but the start of last season was his last chance, and they were a disaster to start the year. So his chance had gone too.
Here's another imperfect analogy, because I'm just going off the top of my head. In 2011-2012, the Jazz got Jamaal Tinsley. He was pretty good, and probably helped Gordon Hayward, who was still in his 2nd year. Hayward still played 30 mpg, but I think having someone like Tinsley around helped.
Tinsley also nutmegged someone in a game during one of those two years, lol.
Found it:
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