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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 29, 2019 19:05:56 GMT -8
I think they shed that when they beat Denver in 2006, and Memphis in 2012.
If Rivers was retained after the Jazz series, I think he still would have been retained this year, with that alternate team construction.
We shed it very temporarily. I remember being called “same ol’ Clippers” after failing to make the playoffs in 07, losing Elton Brand, Blake out for his rookie season, backdoor sweep by the Grizzlies, Donald Sterling scandal, CP choking game 5 to Thunder, Clippers choking to the Rockets, Blake breaking his hand on a Clippers employee, Blake and CP’s early exits vs the Blazers, Blake’s early ext vs the Jazz, CP ripping the organization before getting traded, Gallo and Beverley out almost all of last year, trading BG after promising to keep him until retirement... we were projected to win 33 games because they thought we were the “same ol’ Clippers.” We’re gonna she’s that narrative once and for all. Thanks.
Interestingly enough, I didn't get that from your examples.
But I did get "same ol' Clippers" when they stopped associating with Clipper Darrell. They were right to do that.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 20:20:11 GMT -8
There is the disrespect again. Cmon if you can take off your rose colored glasses you know that is no disrespect...that is what anyone outside of Clipperland is saying....thats 100.....the truth..... Yeah, it's not. I listen to lots of national radio, and national sports coverage on TV. It's the opposite these days - that this is not the same old Clippers. That it's a real likelihood several top free agents are interested in the Clippers but not the Lakers after what's happened. |
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Post by samiam19 on Apr 30, 2019 10:00:03 GMT -8
Let's be real... until Harden plays basketball instead of refball and starts showing up in playoff games, the narrative will always be "same ol' Harden"... that's the only way he will be different... period... end of story... I wholeheartedly agree 100%......no argument from me because that is the truth......only a ship changes that narrative... A 'ship you'll never get |
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Post by htownfan on Apr 30, 2019 13:27:51 GMT -8
Cmon if you can take off your rose colored glasses you know that is no disrespect...that is what anyone outside of Clipperland is saying....thats 100.....the truth..... Yeah, it's not. I listen to lots of national radio, and national sports coverage on TV. It's the opposite these days - that this is not the same old Clippers. That it's a real likelihood several top free agents are interested in the Clippers but not the Lakers after what's happened. I listen to that same national radio and yes I hear the positive things that are being said about the Clippers and the potential they have. Until said top free agents actually sign on the dotted line you are still the same ole clippers.... Until your current young players turn into superstars and carry you past the 2nd round you are still the same ole Clippers...Until the 4 top superstar agents that are going to sign with you guys next year get you out of that 2nd round you will still be the same ole ClippersI give you credit that the future looks bright for you guys but the players still have to suit up and win. I have seen 50 win Clipper teams have so much promise only to fail to get out the 2nd round....I will believe then once I see it.....same goes my beloved Rockets...... Bottom line is the narrative is not going to be changed until you have done something better than you have done before.....get a monkey off your back 1st.... |
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 14:41:11 GMT -8
Yeah, it's not. I listen to lots of national radio, and national sports coverage on TV. It's the opposite these days - that this is not the same old Clippers. That it's a real likelihood several top free agents are interested in the Clippers but not the Lakers after what's happened. I listen to that same national radio and yes I hear the positive things that are being said about the Clippers and the potential they have. Until said top free agents actually sign on the dotted line you are still the same ole clippers.... Until your current young players turn into superstars and carry you past the 2nd round you are still the same ole Clippers...Until the 4 top superstar agents that are going to sign with you guys next year get you out of that 2nd round you will still be the same ole ClippersI give you credit that the future looks bright for you guys but the players still have to suit up and win. I have seen 50 win Clipper teams have so much promise only to fail to get out the 2nd round....I will believe then once I see it.....same goes my beloved Rockets...... Bottom line is the narrative is not going to be changed until you have done something better than you have done before.....get a monkey off your back 1st.... Best owner in the league. Second best coach in the league. Best front office in the league. Best city in the league, and best team in that city for 8 years straight. About to be the best arena in the league. Did the impossible with no stars. There is simply nothing about the current Clippers narrative which says "same old Clippers" given the old Clippers were the most losing franchise in the league run by Donald "racist cheapskate" Sterling. You see it differently because...you're a hater. Always been a hater. I've been saying that for years now. You come here to troll, you show disrespect to the Clippers on a routine basis, and you don't change, and then you fake it for a couple days when the heat gets too hot for you. YOU are the "same old htownfan". That doesn't mean the Clippers are anything like the Sterling era team, even if you don't ever change with the times. |
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Post by clippers1121 on Apr 30, 2019 15:02:17 GMT -8
Steve Ballmer - 40+ billion dollars. Next richest owner - the Russian guy who owns the Nets at 9.8 billion dollars. Not the same old Clippers. Now the richest team in the league who can buy literally whatever can be bought in basketball. And an owner who is willing to do it. We used to have the by far cheapest owner in the league. So things have changed a lot. Your metrics just don't measure the change yet. But us fans know. Lakers now look up to us. Both in the standings and as far as a landing spot for free agents. That is a big change for us right there. If things go well this summer the Rockets will be looking up at us in the standings too.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 17:38:00 GMT -8
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 30, 2019 19:03:18 GMT -8
Steve Ballmer - 40+ billion dollars. Next richest owner - the Russian guy who owns the Nets at 9.8 billion dollars. Not the same old Clippers. Now the richest team in the league who can buy literally whatever can be bought in basketball. And an owner who is willing to do it. We used to have the by far cheapest owner in the league. So things have changed a lot. Your metrics just don't measure the change yet. But us fans know. Lakers now look up to us. Both in the standings and as far as a landing spot for free agents. That is a big change for us right there. If things go well this summer the Rockets will be looking up at us in the standings too. Net worth doesn't equate an owner being great. Prokhorov is bad because of the short sighted decisions he's made during most of his tenure.
I'd put Paul Allen, now Jody Allen, up there in terms of being a good owner.
I hesitate on great, because I don't agree with some of the spending (Crabbe).
The internet says her net worth is $20.3 billion.
But she can offer similar things as Ballmer, in terms of paying to keep top talent (coaches, GMs, players).
On the old boards, vfhs had some things that Ballmer could be criticized for. The Bumble sponsorship deal was one of them. I don't remember the others.
It also remains to be seen if everyone likes Ballmer's presence. The same way that some players/coaches/staff can be turned off by Mark Cuban, Ballmer has a similar personality. Cuban eventually went more into the background, around 2010.
He stopped getting fined, etc.
There was also an interesting point on the radio a few weeks ago. On whether Ballmer would try to turn Leonard into something he's not -- a more visible presence. It's possible that the wrong sales pitch to Leonard would be on selling him on being a star and plastering him on billboards. That doesn't seem to be what Leonard wants. I don't know what Ballmer's strategy would be, but if he tries that with Leonard, it might not work out.
I also thought Sterling's spending was fine once Dunleavy Sr. had more influence. There were still other issues with associating with Sterling, which may have prevented some with associating with him. But it didn't stop others (Dunleavy Sr., Brand, Davis, Griffin).
I think Ballmer has done some good things (making Staples the Clippers own identity during their games; trying to get a new arena; etc.)
But I wouldn't put him as a clear cut # 1 owner, because of some some of the concerns above, as well as some of the things that have already been done.
For the front office, I still like Lindsey more, although not being able to make a Conley deal at this trading deadline seems to be a missed opportunity. Still, the Grizzlies haven't traded Conley yet either, so maybe the Jazz didn't have what the Grizzlies really wanted.
Buford also hasn't given me a reason to drop him in my rankings. Someone else though said he hated the Pau contract in 2017, so that's a good point. I can understand the criticism of that one.
Overall, I think the combination of ownership, front office, and coaching make this a very good destination, but at the same time, it's not for everyone. Not everyone wants to be plastered on billboards, and not everyone has weather as their number one priority. Sometimes, it's family life, or some people just like the East Coast better. Or, perhaps the Midwest. Look at all of the free agents that have rejected the Lakers in recent years, for example, which offered the same city.
I think the Clippers have more net positives than negatives with the ownership, front office, and coaching, so they would probably be top 6 - 8 in each of those.
I also don't know how for coaching, I'd evaluate Malone. It was easier to give him praise in Sacramento. With Denver, I just don't know. The best thing he's done is take Denver from 30th to 1st in 3-point defense. So I can give him credit for that. But in terms of winning, I don't think I've seen enough of an imprint to give him too much credit.
I kind of like what Clifford and Atkinson have done more than Malone, for this year. I see more development there.
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 30, 2019 19:08:35 GMT -8
That was an important day for national perspective.
But for someone that has followed the team more closely, I'd still put Dunleavy Sr.'s influence to keep Brand and Maggette as a bigger turning point.
Beating Denver in 5 games was also about as big.
Also getting Griffin, and having him be happy to be on the Clippers and having him want to change things, was also big.
Then trading for Paul, and having Paul want to be on the Clippers, was another big item.
So I'd say any these 4 were bigger moments, for people that follow the team more closely than some casual people.
After the Clippers beat Denver, Barkley said the Clippers were going to the Western Conference Finals. That should have been another moment that signified that the Clippers weren't the same.
Your Sterling ban was big, I just like these other moments more.
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 30, 2019 19:15:30 GMT -8
I think there's different ways to evaluate what makes a good owner.
If it's only about providing lavishes, then Ballmer, Cuban, and Paul-->Jody Allen can all do it.
Ranadive and Prokhorov can do those things too, but they make so many other mistakes during their overall tenure. Some players may only care about the lavishes though and overlook those mistakes, or be sold on their sales pitch.
If it's about hiring the best front office, and coaches, then I think you have to take it to a case by case basis, and it becomes a more detailed analysis.
If it's a combination of the above, then that becomes a different evaluation method.
Somewhere in this analysis the Warriors ownership and front office is up there, because of all of the success they've had.
Their region is also a good destination too.
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Post by trapp76 on Apr 30, 2019 21:53:58 GMT -8
How bad would it be for you guys if the Clippers end up winning more or the same amount of games against the Warriors than you do? Damn that would look HORRIBLE for you. Let’s see what happens. 0 for 1 now htown, lets see if you can do what we did in game 2, good luck. down 0-2 now htown, you guys are laggin behind us, you better pick up the pace. |
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Post by clipps on May 1, 2019 1:20:31 GMT -8
Rockets look like absolute dog asshole.... I'm not surprised... Maybe the Nuggets will give them sort if a challenge.
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Post by mistwell on May 1, 2019 5:43:12 GMT -8
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Post by dane on May 1, 2019 5:59:15 GMT -8
I am baffled by troll-dom. When you troll one team you don't care about, does that mean you troll all other teams as well? Which I suppose means you are either a home-schooled 12-year-old or you have no time to develop meaningful relationships in the real world?
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Post by htownfan on May 1, 2019 8:30:58 GMT -8
0 for 1 now htown, lets see if you can do what we did in game 2, good luck. down 0-2 now htown, you guys are laggin behind us, you better pick up the pace. Yeah its next to impossible now...just don't see us winning 4 in 5 at all...but we have to start with one first....at least I made good money on my game 3 tickets already.(prom night for my son)  Hope that going to game 4 we are 2-1...... |
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Hope that going to game 4 we are 2-1......