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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 9:47:39 GMT -8
Teams have complained about Hardens uncalled traveling step-backs all year, and I didn't hear you agreeing with them and wanting the refs to call a better game. Now all of a sudden it goes the other way and poor Harden is getting the shaft? Cry me a river. I know for a fact and would be willing to put money up that I could find more legit Harden step-backs than you could find that were not...you keep showing the same ole video. I agree the refs have missed a few of his step-backs but there are also videos of refs explaining how his step back is not a walk.....this guy was head of referees for years....just keep hating on the man.... Using your video above was the very last step back he did to seal the game a walk? I've never shown that video before buddy. Harden likes to manipulate the rules, in a bad faith way, to influence the game. That's his style of game. Well that works OK in the regular season and not in the playoffs. People have said this for years. You denying it is like you denying the sky is blue. If the refs keep sending that message to Harden and he doesn't listen, you will lose this series. He either will get it, or the refs will lay off, or you lose and you and him whine about it. For your sake, I hope Harden gets it or the refs back off. But I am not going to cry for you or him over the refs - Harden has done too much, for too many years, which is manipulative and in bad faith to influence games. He lost the credibility to cry about corner cases going against him anymore. That's just a cost of his choices. You don't have to accept it, but it remains true even if you're in denial about it. Also, the refs brutally screwed the Clippers one of the games in our series with GSW as well, and I saw zero sympathy from you for that game and only saw your normal disrespect. So, again, cry me a river. |
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Post by htownfan on Apr 29, 2019 11:19:45 GMT -8
I've never shown that video before buddy. Harden likes to manipulate the rules, in a bad faith way, to influence the game. That's his style of game. Well that works OK in the regular season and not in the playoffs. People have said this for years. You denying it is like you denying the sky is blue. If the refs keep sending that message to Harden and he doesn't listen, you will lose this series. He either will get it, or the refs will lay off, or you lose and you and him whine about it. For your sake, I hope Harden gets it or the refs back off. But I am not going to cry for you or him over the refs - Harden has done too much, for too many years, which is manipulative and in bad faith to influence games. He lost the credibility to cry about corner cases going against him anymore. That's just a cost of his choices. You don't have to accept it, but it remains true even if you're in denial about it. Also, the refs brutally screwed the Clippers one of the games in our series with GSW as well, and I saw zero sympathy from you for that game and only saw your normal disrespect. So, again, cry me a river. Yeah i know you have never showed that video before and what I was trying to say was that you show the same video that everyone else is using. Yes his style of game hasn't won but please tell me whose style has won other than a style that has a team of 3 or more all-stars in the last 6-7 years? Name me one style that has? As I have screamed over and over you have to have talent and luck to win. It takes a team with at least 2 all-stars to even have a chance... Also you never answered my last question. did Harden travel on the last step-back on that video? cmon answer that question? I never disrespected your clippers in the last series either..i i gave them much credit...you tell so many non-truths.....heck I even said i was wrong on one take... I dont need you to cry a river..just be real and state when wrong is wrong...even when you hate the player..be objective And lastly this is a freaking game..entertainment..not life or death.. |
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Post by trapp76 on Apr 29, 2019 11:37:25 GMT -8
Harden is the boy who cried wolf.
If he continually tries to deceive the officials on purpose, then he shouldn't complain when calls are sometimes missed against him. He needs to take the bad with the good when he decided to make that his style of play.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 12:53:55 GMT -8
I've never shown that video before buddy. Harden likes to manipulate the rules, in a bad faith way, to influence the game. That's his style of game. Well that works OK in the regular season and not in the playoffs. People have said this for years. You denying it is like you denying the sky is blue. If the refs keep sending that message to Harden and he doesn't listen, you will lose this series. He either will get it, or the refs will lay off, or you lose and you and him whine about it. For your sake, I hope Harden gets it or the refs back off. But I am not going to cry for you or him over the refs - Harden has done too much, for too many years, which is manipulative and in bad faith to influence games. He lost the credibility to cry about corner cases going against him anymore. That's just a cost of his choices. You don't have to accept it, but it remains true even if you're in denial about it. Also, the refs brutally screwed the Clippers one of the games in our series with GSW as well, and I saw zero sympathy from you for that game and only saw your normal disrespect. So, again, cry me a river. Yeah i know you have never showed that video before and what I was trying to say was that you show the same video that everyone else is using. Yes his style of game hasn't won but please tell me whose style has won other than a style that has a team of 3 or more all-stars in the last 6-7 years? Name me one style that has? As I have screamed over and over you have to have talent and luck to win. It takes a team with at least 2 all-stars to even have a chance... Also you never answered my last question. did Harden travel on the last step-back on that video? cmon answer that question? I never disrespected your clippers in the last series either..i i gave them much credit...you tell so many non-truths.....heck I even said i was wrong on one take... I dont need you to cry a river..just be real and state when wrong is wrong...even when you hate the player..be objective And lastly this is a freaking game..entertainment..not life or death.. You have me wrong. Harden is a fantastic player. Perhaps the best in the league. I am saying he'd win MORE if he laid off the antics and the complaining in the playoffs and just balled out. Including this last game. And the same goes for the whole Rockets team. Two needless technicals, and near constant distraction by bitching to refs while the other players are running down court for a play. It's just not the best way for him to play, or anyone else. It's fine in the regular season where you have a bunch of less experienced refs, but it just doesn't go over well in the playoffs where the most experience refs are there and they've been told to not overly influence the game. And yes of course Harden travelled, he takes a step back, and then a second step back, and I don't give two shits if some ref somewhere says different. And yes you did disrespect the Clippers. You claimed we were the worst playoff team when we were not. When a disproportionate number of our losses came before we made major adjustments to the team, and our wins after that point demonstrated to most of the league (but not you) that we were better than a lot of other low-end playoff teams. By claiming all our wins in that series, against the two time reigning champs IN their arena, were all just the Warriors laying off us and had little to do with our playing better than them. I am not going to give Harden, of all players in the league, sympathy over non-calls. Even if he were just a number on a page and I had no idea who he is, based on what he's done just on paper for the last several years concerning intentionally drawing fouls, I would disqualify him from bitching about non-calls. His game is obviously, objectively, is tailored to manipulate the rules to draw fouls rather than based on actual contact intentionally initiated by the defense. And if you tailor your game that way, don't bitch when you stop getting those calls in the playoffs from the more experienced refs. That's to be expected. It's plenty fair. |
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Post by clipps on Apr 29, 2019 13:01:09 GMT -8
Rockets should be ashamed of themselves. The Warriors back court are playing on 2 feet combined, one of them had 5 fouls and they didn’t exploit that? Rockets’ game plan is to manipulate the game and get to the line. Not actual team ball. It’s a disgrace to basketball. ISO Dribble, dribble, dribble, step back, lean in/kick your legs out, fall, shoot 3 free throws. You call that an offense? Then the one the one time the refs don’t fall for it, you go complain about unfair officiating? I can’t believe I’m saying this but I completely agree with Draymond Green’s response.
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Post by htownfan on Apr 29, 2019 13:41:47 GMT -8
You have me wrong. Harden is a fantastic player. Perhaps the best in the league. I am saying he'd win MORE if he laid off the antics and the complaining in the playoffs and just balled out. Including this last game. And the same goes for the whole Rockets team. Two needless technicals, and near constant distraction by bitching to refs while the other players are running down court for a play. It's just not the best way for him to play, or anyone else. It's fine in the regular season where you have a bunch of less experienced refs, but it just doesn't go over well in the playoffs where the most experience refs are there and they've been told to not overly influence the game. And yes of course Harden travelled, he takes a step back, and then a second step back, and I don't give two shits if some ref somewhere says different. And yes you did disrespect the Clippers. You claimed we were the worst playoff team when we were not. When a disproportionate number of our losses came before we made major adjustments to the team, and our wins after that point demonstrated to most of the league (but not you) that we were better than a lot of other low-end playoff teams. By claiming all our wins in that series, against the two time reigning champs IN their arena, were all just the Warriors laying off us and had little to do with our playing better than them. I am not going to give Harden, of all players in the league, sympathy over non-calls. Even if he were just a number on a page and I had no idea who he is, based on what he's done just on paper for the last several years concerning intentionally drawing fouls, I would disqualify him from bitching about non-calls. His game is obviously, objectively, is tailored to manipulate the rules to draw fouls rather than based on actual contact intentionally initiated by the defense. And if you tailor your game that way, don't bitch when you stop getting those calls in the playoffs from the more experienced refs. That's to be expected. It's plenty fair. I agree Harden traveled on that first step back of the video but can you honestly say he stepped back twice on the last one to essentially win the game at the end of the video...I want to make sure you believe that one was a travel as well because it wasnt.... You obviously have a different definition of disrespect than I do because me saying the Clippers were the worst playoff was pure opinion(and we were only talking about the West)....my opinion....I didnt call them scrubs....I didnt call them losers...I didnt say they sucked..i just believed they were the only team in the West that lacked superstars....I still thought they were better than quite a few teams in the East though.... Yes my team has a penchant for complaining too much and at the wrong times of the game when it allows other teams to score....CP3 has always done that..he and Blake and your Clippers teams back then also were known for complaining and whining.....yes I agree Harden just need to shut the HELL up and let his play do the talking along with CP3....but come on as much as you complain about Harden...wrong is still wrong so at least admit that..... And people like Capella need to show up especially when he was all big and bad and stating he wanted to play the Warriors....then show up talker.... I don't know if you know the rules of basketball but you get to take "2" steps after the gather and that means going forward, backward or to the side...the rules don't state you only get to take 2 steps forward.....you really have to understand the rules...Was Damon Lilliards walk off series a travel? He took a side step as well? |
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Post by htownfan on Apr 29, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -8
Rockets should be ashamed of themselves. The Warriors back court are playing on 2 feet combined, one of them had 5 fouls and they didn’t exploit that? Rockets’ game plan is to manipulate the game and get to the line. Not actual team ball. It’s a disgrace to basketball. ISO Dribble, dribble, dribble, step back, lean in/kick your legs out, fall, shoot 3 free throws. You call that an offense? Then the one the one time the refs don’t fall for it, you go complain about unfair officiating? I can’t believe I’m saying this but I completely agree with Draymond Green’s response. I understand your dislike for Houston's offense but from an efficiency stance it is one of the top offense scoring per play in the league every year...its ugly but effective.... I got some land in Florida to sell you if you believe Kerr and Thompson are playing on 2 feet combined...they are damn good....oh and about exploiting the 5 fouls on curry...kind of hard to do when the refs just don't call it as evidenced by the 2 minute report...he should have picked up his 6th foul before the big 3 point shot he made.......actually he should have fouled out twice...facts www.nba.com/article/2019/04/29/l2m-report-game-1-warriors-rocketsAs for the three incorrect non-calls, they occurred at the following times: With 1:10.6 left in the quarter, Harden turned the ball over by stepping on the baseline. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report, that call was incorrect and instead should have been a personal foul on Stephen Curry. "RAR shows that Curry (GSW) is moving laterally into Harden's (HOU) path and that the contact causes Harden to go out of bounds." With 51.9 seconds left in the quarter, Klay Thompson made a move to the basket and attempted a jump shot. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report, that call was incorrect and Thompson should have been called for traveling. "Thompson (GSW) slides his pivot foot at the end of his dribble." With 5.2 seconds left in the quarter, Stephen Curry and Eric Gordon scrambled for a loose ball after Harden's 3-pointer with 10.1 seconds missed. The ruling was that Gordon stepped out of bounds, but that call was incorrect and Curry should have been called for a personal foul. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report: "LAR shows Curry (GSW) makes contact with Gordon's (HOU) arm, affecting his ability to secure the ball." |
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Post by dane on Apr 29, 2019 15:54:16 GMT -8
OK, Houston, I concede. It is true that 50% or more of Harden step-backs are not obvious travels.
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Post by samiam19 on Apr 29, 2019 16:20:33 GMT -8
The refs and the league prefer the Warriors over the Rockets, it was clear to everyone last night. I don't see this series going past 5 games, which means the Clippers > Rockets
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Post by clipps on Apr 29, 2019 16:59:34 GMT -8
Rockets should be ashamed of themselves. The Warriors back court are playing on 2 feet combined, one of them had 5 fouls and they didn’t exploit that? Rockets’ game plan is to manipulate the game and get to the line. Not actual team ball. It’s a disgrace to basketball. ISO Dribble, dribble, dribble, step back, lean in/kick your legs out, fall, shoot 3 free throws. You call that an offense? Then the one the one time the refs don’t fall for it, you go complain about unfair officiating? I can’t believe I’m saying this but I completely agree with Draymond Green’s response. I understand your dislike for Houston's offense but from an efficiency stance it is one of the top offense scoring per play in the league every year...its ugly but effective.... I got some land in Florida to sell you if you believe Kerr and Thompson are playing on 2 feet combined...they are damn good....oh and about exploiting the 5 fouls on curry...kind of hard to do when the refs just don't call it as evidenced by the 2 minute report...he should have picked up his 6th foul before the big 3 point shot he made.......actually he should have fouled out twice...facts www.nba.com/article/2019/04/29/l2m-report-game-1-warriors-rocketsAs for the three incorrect non-calls, they occurred at the following times: With 1:10.6 left in the quarter, Harden turned the ball over by stepping on the baseline. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report, that call was incorrect and instead should have been a personal foul on Stephen Curry. "RAR shows that Curry (GSW) is moving laterally into Harden's (HOU) path and that the contact causes Harden to go out of bounds." With 51.9 seconds left in the quarter, Klay Thompson made a move to the basket and attempted a jump shot. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report, that call was incorrect and Thompson should have been called for traveling. "Thompson (GSW) slides his pivot foot at the end of his dribble." With 5.2 seconds left in the quarter, Stephen Curry and Eric Gordon scrambled for a loose ball after Harden's 3-pointer with 10.1 seconds missed. The ruling was that Gordon stepped out of bounds, but that call was incorrect and Curry should have been called for a personal foul. Per the NBA Last Two Minute report: "LAR shows Curry (GSW) makes contact with Gordon's (HOU) arm, affecting his ability to secure the ball."And you don’t think GSW wouldn’t have adjusted accordingly? I hate it when peoplle make those excuses at the end of close games. Example: team A loses by 1 point, but the refs called a questionable foul on a 3 pointer for team B some random time in the 2nd quarter. because of that, team A should’ve won by 2. Gtfo. Did the refs make the Rockets miss 27 straight 3 pointers last year in game 7? The Rockets are the most petty team in the league. |
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Post by vfhs on Apr 29, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -8
Can we talk about how bogus it is that CP0 didn't get even get a one-game suspension for shoving a ref? Nick Van Exel got suspended seven games for doing that back in the day. www.nytimes.com/1996/04/11/sports/pro-basketball-van-exel-receives-7-game-suspension.htmlThe favorable treatment that the NBA gives to the Rockets needs to stop. Why can't the league understand that nobody likes Harden, nobody likes CP0, and nobody likes their boring-ass style of basketball built around volume chucking and cheating to win? |
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Post by dane on Apr 29, 2019 17:38:43 GMT -8
Can we talk about how bogus it is that CP0 didn't get even get a one-game suspension for shoving a ref? Nick Van Exel got suspended seven games for doing that back in the day. www.nytimes.com/1996/04/11/sports/pro-basketball-van-exel-receives-7-game-suspension.htmlThe favorable treatment that the NBA gives to the Rockets needs to stop. Why can't the league understand that nobody likes Harden, nobody likes CP0, and nobody likes their boring-ass style of basketball built around volume chucking and cheating to win? Now really. CP3 made contact with the ref and was given a tech and tossed. Nick Van Exel attacked the ref and nearly knocked him over the scorer's table. The scandal is that Van Exel's suspension wasn't even longer. |
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Post by vfhs on Apr 29, 2019 18:06:36 GMT -8
I'm not saying CP0 should have gotten seven games, but to not even get one game off is pure favoritism. Anyone who doesn't play for the league-darling Rockets would have been suspended for that, not just fined and ejected.
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 29, 2019 20:43:26 GMT -8
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 29, 2019 20:44:30 GMT -8
When I saw that headline back in 2003, I thought Courtney was a female. The headline said he shoved Courtney in the chest.
I was curious as to what could have happened to shove a female ref in the chest.
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