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Post by hitnrun24 on Apr 29, 2019 21:09:42 GMT -8
Yeah i know you have never showed that video before and what I was trying to say was that you show the same video that everyone else is using. Yes his style of game hasn't won but please tell me whose style has won other than a style that has a team of 3 or more all-stars in the last 6-7 years? Name me one style that has? As I have screamed over and over you have to have talent and luck to win. It takes a team with at least 2 all-stars to even have a chance... Also you never answered my last question. did Harden travel on the last step-back on that video? cmon answer that question? I never disrespected your clippers in the last series either..i i gave them much credit...you tell so many non-truths.....heck I even said i was wrong on one take... I dont need you to cry a river..just be real and state when wrong is wrong...even when you hate the player..be objective And lastly this is a freaking game..entertainment..not life or death.. You have me wrong. Harden is a fantastic player. Perhaps the best in the league. I am saying he'd win MORE if he laid off the antics and the complaining in the playoffs and just balled out. Including this last game. And the same goes for the whole Rockets team. Two needless technicals, and near constant distraction by bitching to refs while the other players are running down court for a play. It's just not the best way for him to play, or anyone else. It's fine in the regular season where you have a bunch of less experienced refs, but it just doesn't go over well in the playoffs where the most experience refs are there and they've been told to not overly influence the game. And yes of course Harden travelled, he takes a step back, and then a second step back, and I don't give two shits if some ref somewhere says different. And yes you did disrespect the Clippers. You claimed we were the worst playoff team when we were not. When a disproportionate number of our losses came before we made major adjustments to the team, and our wins after that point demonstrated to most of the league (but not you) that we were better than a lot of other low-end playoff teams. By claiming all our wins in that series, against the two time reigning champs IN their arena, were all just the Warriors laying off us and had little to do with our playing better than them. I am not going to give Harden, of all players in the league, sympathy over non-calls. Even if he were just a number on a page and I had no idea who he is, based on what he's done just on paper for the last several years concerning intentionally drawing fouls, I would disqualify him from bitching about non-calls. His game is obviously, objectively, is tailored to manipulate the rules to draw fouls rather than based on actual contact intentionally initiated by the defense. And if you tailor your game that way, don't bitch when you stop getting those calls in the playoffs from the more experienced refs. That's to be expected. It's plenty fair. They need to have consistency, that's the problem. Ever since the Kawhi injury the league made it an emphasis to call the landing space foul every time no exception then all of a sudden yesterday there was a crew that just ignored the rule. Harden embellishes contact, but you can't just penalize him on clear fouls when you have been calling it that way all year. Utah's players were furious because they just went through an entire series where that foul was called every single time. Then all of a sudden these refs just changed the rules. If you look especially at one of Harden's 3s where Thompson gets him and the CP3 shot where he gets his first T, those were letter of the law fouls that had been called consistently before yesterday. That kind of stuff shouldn't happen and it'll be made up for I bet. |
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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 21:43:54 GMT -8
You have me wrong. Harden is a fantastic player. Perhaps the best in the league. I am saying he'd win MORE if he laid off the antics and the complaining in the playoffs and just balled out. Including this last game. And the same goes for the whole Rockets team. Two needless technicals, and near constant distraction by bitching to refs while the other players are running down court for a play. It's just not the best way for him to play, or anyone else. It's fine in the regular season where you have a bunch of less experienced refs, but it just doesn't go over well in the playoffs where the most experience refs are there and they've been told to not overly influence the game. And yes of course Harden travelled, he takes a step back, and then a second step back, and I don't give two shits if some ref somewhere says different. And yes you did disrespect the Clippers. You claimed we were the worst playoff team when we were not. When a disproportionate number of our losses came before we made major adjustments to the team, and our wins after that point demonstrated to most of the league (but not you) that we were better than a lot of other low-end playoff teams. By claiming all our wins in that series, against the two time reigning champs IN their arena, were all just the Warriors laying off us and had little to do with our playing better than them. I am not going to give Harden, of all players in the league, sympathy over non-calls. Even if he were just a number on a page and I had no idea who he is, based on what he's done just on paper for the last several years concerning intentionally drawing fouls, I would disqualify him from bitching about non-calls. His game is obviously, objectively, is tailored to manipulate the rules to draw fouls rather than based on actual contact intentionally initiated by the defense. And if you tailor your game that way, don't bitch when you stop getting those calls in the playoffs from the more experienced refs. That's to be expected. It's plenty fair. They need to have consistency, that's the problem. Ever since the Kawhi injury the league made it an emphasis to call the landing space foul every time no exception then all of a sudden yesterday there was a crew that just ignored the rule. Harden embellishes contact, but you can't just penalize him on clear fouls when you have been calling it that way all year. Utah's players were furious because they just went through an entire series where that foul was called every single time. Then all of a sudden these refs just changed the rules. If you look especially at one of Harden's 3s where Thompson gets him and the CP3 shot where he gets his first T, those were letter of the law fouls that had been called consistently before yesterday. That kind of stuff shouldn't happen and it'll be made up for I bet. I disagree. |
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Post by samiam19 on Apr 30, 2019 6:40:56 GMT -8
They need to have consistency, that's the problem. Ever since the Kawhi injury the league made it an emphasis to call the landing space foul every time no exception then all of a sudden yesterday there was a crew that just ignored the rule. Harden embellishes contact, but you can't just penalize him on clear fouls when you have been calling it that way all year. Utah's players were furious because they just went through an entire series where that foul was called every single time. Then all of a sudden these refs just changed the rules. If you look especially at one of Harden's 3s where Thompson gets him and the CP3 shot where he gets his first T, those were letter of the law fouls that had been called consistently before yesterday. That kind of stuff shouldn't happen and it'll be made up for I bet. I disagree. If James Harden was in a Golden State uniform then he would have gotten all of those calls for sure |
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Post by v-ice on Apr 30, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -8
Just play basketball
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Post by vfhs on Apr 30, 2019 11:48:29 GMT -8
They need to have consistency, that's the problem. I somewhat disagree. It's great that they've stopped calling Harden's flops now, even though it's "inconsistent" to what they've been calling all year. What the refs need to do is not start giving him all the calls again next year in the regular season. |
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 12:47:02 GMT -8
Guess who the head ref is for tonights game?
Scott Foster.
Yes. That Scott Foster. Who fucked the clippers last series (though HTown had zero sympathies for the Clippers).
Ahahahahahahahahaha!
Well, there will be lots of calls. That's what Rockets wanted right, more calls? You'll get more calls. This should be one shit show of a game. Harden HATES Foster. Paul HATES Foster. Foster...does not seem fond of the Rockets either.
I am not saying the Rockets cannot win this game. They can. But I am saying this will be a shitty game.
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Post by htownfan on Apr 30, 2019 13:31:25 GMT -8
They need to have consistency, that's the problem. I somewhat disagree. It's great that they've stopped calling Harden's flops now, even though it's "inconsistent" to what they've been calling all year. What the refs need to do is not start giving him all the calls again next year in the regular season.So what you are saying is they need to be consistent like the OP stated. Sounds like you are agreeing with him.... |
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Post by vfhs on Apr 30, 2019 13:32:50 GMT -8
Actually, the data shows that the Rockets get all the calls with Foster. The real reason why they keep losing all those games is because they keep chucking and bricking threes. It's almost like pinning all your hopes on a one-dimensional offensive strategy with no Plan B tends to result in some off nights.
Don't tell that to Rockets fans, though. Despite being the most ref-coddled team of floppers this sport has ever seen and all the bogus whistles they're rewarded with, they're convinced the league is rigged against them. facepalm
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 13:49:30 GMT -8
Actually, the data shows that the Rockets get all the calls with Foster. The real reason why they keep losing all those games is because they keep chucking and bricking threes. It's almost like pinning all your hopes on a one-dimensional offensive strategy with no Plan B tends to result in some off nights. Don't tell that to Rockets fans, though. Despite being the most ref-coddled team of floppers this sport has ever seen and all the bogus whistles they're rewarded with, they're convinced the league is rigged against them.  He calls a lot of fouls. Fouls off the ball. Fouls not in the act of shooting. Just fouls fouls fouls. It throws off the flow of the game. Foster becomes the game. |
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Post by vfhs on Apr 30, 2019 13:54:40 GMT -8
He calls a lot of fouls. Fouls off the ball. Fouls not in the act of shooting. Just fouls fouls fouls. And he consistently calls more of them on the Rockets' opponents than on the Rockets themselves when he does their playoff games. The Rockets would have won some of those games if they had a Plan B when the threes aren't falling.
By whining about a ref who actually favors them, Houston fans are simply reaching for excuses in advance in case they lose again.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 14:44:21 GMT -8
He calls a lot of fouls. Fouls off the ball. Fouls not in the act of shooting. Just fouls fouls fouls. And he consistently calls more of them on the Rockets' opponents than on the Rockets themselves when he does their playoff games. The Rockets would have won some of those games if they had a Plan B when the threes aren't falling.
By whining about a ref who actually favors them, Houston fans are simply reaching for excuses in advance in case they lose again.
Like I said, it throws them off their game. A large component of which is bitching about refs. |
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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 21:05:11 GMT -8
Oh that's gotta hurt.
And the eye must hurt too.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Apr 30, 2019 21:06:52 GMT -8
Whether it was the eye or not, Harden has to be a lot better. The Rockets need to be able to win games where the fouls aren't being called, Steph and Kd's games aren't affected by foul calls. Harden was way too tentative and uncertain about what to do if they weren't going to give him the step back 3 foul calls. Numbers ended up looking ok, but impact wasn't nearly enough there. Of course I'm holding them to a high standard here, but those were 2 winnable games.
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Post by dyce on Apr 30, 2019 21:23:49 GMT -8
Rockets lack the Clippers grit. They needed a guy like Beverley tonight.
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Post by htownfan on Apr 30, 2019 21:25:19 GMT -8
Whether it was the eye or not, Harden has to be a lot better. The Rockets need to be able to win games where the fouls aren't being called, Steph and Kd's games aren't affected by foul calls. Harden was way too tentative and uncertain about what to do if they weren't going to give him the step back 3 foul calls. Numbers ended up looking ok, but impact wasn't nearly enough there. Of course I'm holding them to a high standard here, but those were 2 winnable games. Wow Harden has to be a lot better? Yeah you are holding to a very high standard ... Not really sure how much better he could have been tonight other than not turning over the damn ball as the whole team kept doing early to dig themselves in hole. Harden shot better than KD and scored just as many points in 10 less minutes and after a slow start. Harden also had 1 less FT....but you may be right in the whole scheme of things Harden has to be superhuman since KD has the luxury of 2 all-nba players that can get you 20 right along with him like they did tonight. It really just might be that Golden St just has too much firepower. You really do have to play mistake free basketball to beat them....Harden could be a tad bit more aggressive but I think he was just trying to find the right play each time... What killed us tonight was early turnovesr and not getting defensive rebounds...they had like 18 offensive rebounds..that is where the game was and oh yeah the difference maker in KD who would hit a big shot every time we got close..... Game 3 is a must win now........Hell game 2 was a must win....  |
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