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Post by mistwell on Apr 30, 2019 21:47:34 GMT -8
Rockets can still do it. But yeah, must win game 3.
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Post by vfhs on Apr 30, 2019 22:09:16 GMT -8
Another vintage playoff chokejob by CP0. Passive all game, torched on defense, missed a three that would have given the Rockets life. That contract is a disaster.
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Post by clipps on May 1, 2019 1:06:41 GMT -8
We at least put up a fight. Rockets š¤£šš
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Post by clippers1121 on May 1, 2019 7:46:57 GMT -8
We had to play two of our best games of the season to beat them. We played two superb games where we shot really well from the field and managed to outscore them 135 to 131 and 129 to 121. So we never could defend them and we always liked to push the pace. Rockets are defending the paint a lot better than we did with Capela being a good rim protector. But they have not had any great shooting games so far so they could not manage to outscore the Warriors. Iguodala making things tough on Harden and Paul as he did in our series against Lou Williams. The guy is old but he still is a good defender and his scoring hurt the Rockets last night too.
Refs stole game one from the Rockets. They were not a factor last night. Warriors just a high scoring team with lots of scorers so Rockets even with a great defense need to shoot in the 52% range or so to win these games. Shai had a better series against the Warriors than CP3 is having. And he is only a rookie. His length gave them more problems on defense and his shooting and ability to get to the rim were tougher for them to defend. So I will give a radical opinion here: Shai > CP3.
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Post by windsoruk on May 1, 2019 8:28:54 GMT -8
We had to play two of our best games of the season to beat them. We played two superb games where we shot really well from the field and managed to outscore them 135 to 131 and 129 to 121. So we never could defend them and we always liked to push the pace. Rockets are defending the paint a lot better than we did with Capela being a good rim protector. But they have not had any great shooting games so far so they could not manage to outscore the Warriors. Iguodala making things tough on Harden and Paul as he did in our series against Lou Williams. The guy is old but he still is a good defender and his scoring hurt the Rockets last night too. Refs stole game one from the Rockets. They were not a factor last night. Warriors just a high scoring team with lots of scorers so Rockets even with a great defense need to shoot in the 52% range or so to win these games. Shai had a better series against the Warriors than CP3 is having. And he is only a rookie. His length gave them more problems on defense and his shooting and ability to get to the rim were tougher for them to defend. So I will give a radical opinion here: Shai > CP3. Given the money involved for each player, I'd rather have Shai today as well. |
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Post by mistwell on May 1, 2019 8:48:21 GMT -8
Refs stole game one from the Rockets. No, they didn't. New comparison, demonstrating the difference between Harden's landing spot when he's contested, vs when he's open. Makes it clear he is intentionally kicking out to make the contact, making it not something which should be called in the playoffs. These more experienced refs you get in the playoffs are just not fooled by his antics. They sent the right message: knock this shit off, fouls are because defenders initiate contact and not the goal of your offense. Linktwitter.com/i/status/1123273091419922432 |
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Post by clippers1121 on May 1, 2019 10:21:07 GMT -8
But they clearly missed at least three calls in the first half that should have been nine free throws. Rockets should not have had to adjust to calls they were getting all year. By the time they did game one was gone. We can agree to disagree on this. No point in debating it.
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 1, 2019 13:58:16 GMT -8
Whether it was the eye or not, Harden has to be a lot better. The Rockets need to be able to win games where the fouls aren't being called, Steph and Kd's games aren't affected by foul calls. Harden was way too tentative and uncertain about what to do if they weren't going to give him the step back 3 foul calls. Numbers ended up looking ok, but impact wasn't nearly enough there. Of course I'm holding them to a high standard here, but those were 2 winnable games. Wow Harden has to be a lot better? Yeah you are holding to a very high standard ... Not really sure how much better he could have been tonight other than not turning over the damn ball as the whole team kept doing early to dig themselves in hole. Harden shot better than KD and scored just as many points in 10 less minutes and after a slow start. Harden also had 1 less FT....but you may be right in the whole scheme of things Harden has to be superhuman since KD has the luxury of 2 all-nba players that can get you 20 right along with him like they did tonight. It really just might be that Golden St just has too much firepower. You really do have to play mistake free basketball to beat them....Harden could be a tad bit more aggressive but I think he was just trying to find the right play each time... What killed us tonight was early turnovesr and not getting defensive rebounds...they had like 18 offensive rebounds..that is where the game was and oh yeah the difference maker in KD who would hit a big shot every time we got close..... Game 3 is a must win now........Hell game 2 was a must win....  We're talking about a guy in the conversation for best player in the league so yes it's the highest of standards. He got some late stuff to pad his shooting %'s, but when the game was in the balance KD had more big plays. I'm not saying he was bad and it sounds like the eye was worse than originally thought, but what's he shooting like 37% in the postseason? Steph and Klay haven't been that great in this series either, you really think these games weren't winnable with MVP type performances from Harden? KD does have the luxury of not having to be superhuman every game for the Warriors to win, but he has taken quite a few games over this postseason. So yes Harden hasn't been bad, but he needs to start showing he can be tantalizingly great like he was in the regular season. |
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Post by mistwell on May 1, 2019 15:45:15 GMT -8
But they clearly missed at least three calls in the first half that should have been nine free throws. Rockets should not have had to adjust to calls they were getting all year. By the time they did game one was gone. We can agree to disagree on this. No point in debating it. Did anyone bother to count calls that should have gone to GSW but were not called that game? No, of course not, because they won. But there were several. Welcome to NBA playoffs. |
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Post by nuraman00 on May 1, 2019 18:09:14 GMT -8
We had to play two of our best games of the season to beat them. We played two superb games where we shot really well from the field and managed to outscore them 135 to 131 and 129 to 121. So we never could defend them and we always liked to push the pace. Rockets are defending the paint a lot better than we did with Capela being a good rim protector. But they have not had any great shooting games so far so they could not manage to outscore the Warriors. Iguodala making things tough on Harden and Paul as he did in our series against Lou Williams. The guy is old but he still is a good defender and his scoring hurt the Rockets last night too. Refs stole game one from the Rockets. They were not a factor last night. Warriors just a high scoring team with lots of scorers so Rockets even with a great defense need to shoot in the 52% range or so to win these games. Shai had a better series against the Warriors than CP3 is having. And he is only a rookie. His length gave them more problems on defense and his shooting and ability to get to the rim were tougher for them to defend. So I will give a radical opinion here: Shai > CP3. The Clippers didn't play their best and they still beat the Warriors.
If they had been able to rebound and defend better, they could have won more comfortably.
A few of those games were not good defensively, so that's why I don't think the Clippers played their best games of the season.
Well, maybe game 5 was that complete game on both ends. So maybe that was the one.
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Post by corkscrew on May 1, 2019 19:03:18 GMT -8
We had to play two of our best games of the season to beat them. We played two superb games where we shot really well from the field and managed to outscore them 135 to 131 and 129 to 121. So we never could defend them and we always liked to push the pace. Rockets are defending the paint a lot better than we did with Capela being a good rim protector. But they have not had any great shooting games so far so they could not manage to outscore the Warriors. Iguodala making things tough on Harden and Paul as he did in our series against Lou Williams. The guy is old but he still is a good defender and his scoring hurt the Rockets last night too. Refs stole game one from the Rockets. They were not a factor last night. Warriors just a high scoring team with lots of scorers so Rockets even with a great defense need to shoot in the 52% range or so to win these games. Shai had a better series against the Warriors than CP3 is having. And he is only a rookie. His length gave them more problems on defense and his shooting and ability to get to the rim were tougher for them to defend. So I will give a radical opinion here: Shai > CP3. The Clippers didn't play their best and they still beat the Warriors.
If they had been able to rebound and defend better, they could have won more comfortably.
A few of those games were not good defensively, so that's why I don't think the Clippers played their best games of the season.
Well, maybe game 5 was that complete game on both ends. So maybe that was the one.
These are contested aspects of the game, closer to a zero-sum game than say, shooting for example. You can say that about shooting if you are missing a ton of open shots ā thatās having a poor shooting game ā but not rebounds. Rebounds are a contest between players who can or are trying to rebound; one has to collect the rebound while the other loses it. Those who collect more rebounds are usually better at it than those who donāt. The Clippers had to play small ball and chose not to play Zubac, and as a result had fewer rebounds. They didnāt have a āpoor rebounding gameā, they had a poor rebounding team on the court compared to the Warriors. Similarly, on defense, the Clippers didnāt have poor defensive performances, they were just facing an offensive juggernaut, perhaps the best offensive team in history. In fact, the Clippers generally had heroic defensive performances facing a team of players who each can score on you in multiple ways, including one, Curry, who is probably the best shooter in league history and another, KD, who has no flaw in his offensive game and can score in the paint, mid-range, three-point, has a quick release and can shoot over almost anyone, can post up, can attack the basket and finish, can dunk, can pass, and can put in on the deck. And if thatās not enough, they have Thompson, Iguodala, and green who are each legitimate offensive weapons who can torch you. The Clippersā lost games were not due to poor defensive performances. It is a tribute to their spirit, perseverance, and mental focus that they were able to win two games in the series, one of them in Oakland. |
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Post by nuraman00 on May 1, 2019 19:23:58 GMT -8
The Clippers didn't play their best and they still beat the Warriors.
If they had been able to rebound and defend better, they could have won more comfortably.
A few of those games were not good defensively, so that's why I don't think the Clippers played their best games of the season.
Well, maybe game 5 was that complete game on both ends. So maybe that was the one.
These are contested aspects of the game, closer to a zero-sum game than say, shooting for example. You can say that about shooting if you are missing a ton of open shots ā thatās having a poor shooting game ā but not rebounds. Rebounds are a contest between players who can or are trying to rebound; one has to collect the rebound while the other loses it. Those who collect more rebounds are usually better at it than those who donāt. The Clippers had to play small ball and chose not to play Zubac, and as a result had fewer rebounds. They didnāt have a āpoor rebounding gameā, they had a poor rebounding team on the court compared to the Warriors. Similarly, on defense, the Clippers didnāt have poor defensive performances, they were just facing an offensive juggernaut, perhaps the best offensive team in history. In fact, the Clippers generally had heroic defensive performances facing a team of players who each can score on you in multiple ways, including one, Curry, who is probably the best shooter in league history and another, KD, who has no flaw in his offensive game and can score in the paint, mid-range, three-point, has a quick release and can shoot over almost anyone, can post up, can attack the basket and finish, can dunk, can pass, and can put in on the deck. And if thatās not enough, they have Thompson, Iguodala, and green who are each legitimate offensive weapons who can torch you. The Clippersā lost games were not due to poor defensive performances. It is a tribute to their spirit, perseverance, and mental focus that they were able to win two games in the series, one of them in Oakland. They won both games in Oakland. Games 2, 5.
Good post overall.
Durant's flaws are his ball handling and turnovers. He doesn't create for others as well as other players in history (despite what his assist numbers may suggest).
He can't get the ball on the perimeter and create for others like Pierce, Bird, or James. Or Harden. Since he plays a "big" position, I'll also make this comparison and say there are PFs that were also better creators than him.
But that's something I've discussed in past years, and don't want to divert this thread.
He can score from anywhere, but isn't great at creating.
I knew the Clippers weren't going to win that many home games, so I suspected the best chance at a long series was to win some road games early in the series, and they did.
You're right that the Clippers put out a poor rebounding lineup.
But as I've stated during the year, they were poor at rebounding all year. 25th in defensive rebounding %, 19th in offensive rebounding percentage.
Also 21st in defensive rating.
And yes, having Curry, Durant, and Green out there to rebound is an advantage that the Warriors have.
For the series, Durant had 25 turnovers. The next highest was Williams with 18. Since both shot the ball a lot, I think it's fair to compare them with turnovers too.
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Post by samiam19 on May 4, 2019 19:44:45 GMT -8
Wow.... so no one is going to talk about how Draymond Green murdered Austin Rivers with a simple screen? I KNEW YOU ALL LOVED AUSTIN RIVERS!!!
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Post by hitnrun24 on May 4, 2019 20:51:16 GMT -8
Austin played well for them. He's not a great player or anything, but guys like Austin don't grow on trees either. You know you'll get a guy who plays tough D and isn't scared of the moment, they have in a good role 16-18 min
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Post by nuraman00 on May 4, 2019 21:26:08 GMT -8
Wow.... so no one is going to talk about how Draymond Green murdered Austin Rivers with a simple screen? I KNEW YOU ALL LOVED AUSTIN RIVERS!!! I saw the end of the game and saw that play, but I don't care enough about the series to comment much on it.
The other three series are more interesting.
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