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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 4, 2024 12:20:50 GMT -8
Or maybe Davis ends up liking playing with Williamson.
Which goes against the general observation that veterans don't like waiting for rookies.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 4, 2024 12:24:57 GMT -8
Lakers get beat at home by the Heat 110-96. It was a 2 pt game in the 4th before Duncan Robinson put them to be, along with some help from Herro, rookie Jaquez, and Bam. They gave up Randle, Kuzma, Ingram, Ball and Russell (not to mention Zu) in order to get AD one year earlier — he would have come anyway the following year. Now they have to run on Lebron, AD and fumes just to keep up. Imagine where they would be today if they hadn’t given up all those guys. For whatever reason they can't get a lot of their role players to perform. They've had a few, but look at Kuzma, Malik Beasley, Westbrook etc all contributing in roles to teams when they were scapegoated on the Lakers.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 4, 2024 21:47:25 GMT -8
Barkley: "I don't believe in Minnesota.
The scariest team in the west is the Los Angeles Clippers.
If he [Kawh] didn't get hurt last year, they would have beaten the Suns."
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Post by jglanton on Jan 5, 2024 11:15:37 GMT -8
Look out, WC. Jokic has missed 5 shots in the last four games. And he's not doing much dunking.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 5, 2024 11:33:36 GMT -8
Look out, WC. Jokic has missed 5 shots in the last four games. And he's not doing much dunking. He's only taking 11 shots a game though (though missed 8 shots in the game before that stretch). For comparison most stars take around 20 shots a game. By taking fewer shots he's forcing his teammates with lower accuracy to take more shots. This was the Luke Kennard problem - taking only shots with a very high percentage chance of going in, even when there were many times when he was the right guy to take a lower percentage shot too.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 5, 2024 11:45:47 GMT -8
Barkley: "I don't believe in Minnesota. The scariest team in the west is the Los Angeles Clippers. If he [Kawh] didn't get hurt last year, they would have beaten the Suns." I agree with Barkley here. Minnesota's good, but I'll happily take them in round 2 while Denver and OKC battle it out
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Post by corkscrew on Jan 5, 2024 11:56:11 GMT -8
Look out, WC. Jokic has missed 5 shots in the last four games. And he's not doing much dunking. That was before last night's Golden State Game in which he went 4-12, but point taken. Players like Jokic (and Wemby and Steph Curry, et al) are a reminder that the game of basketball is still in its early days and still evolving and being defined. In the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Wilt was the only 7 footer in the league so he dominated essentially by his size. I don't think Wilt in his prime would dominate today playing against Jokic or Embiid, or against shooter like Curry and Doncic. These players have changed the game. Before Jokic came along, if you had mentioned the possibility of a 3-pt shooting Point Center who brings up the ball and is a playmaker, someone would have probably shot you in an act of charity to put you out of your misery.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 5, 2024 12:24:23 GMT -8
Look out, WC. Jokic has missed 5 shots in the last four games. And he's not doing much dunking. That was before last night's Golden State Game in which he went 4-12, but point taken. Players like Jokic (and Wemby and Steph Curry, et al) are a reminder that the game of basketball is still in its early days and still evolving and being defined. In the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Wilt was the only 7 footer in the league so he dominated essentially by his size. I don't think Wilt in his prime would dominate today playing against Jokic or Embiid, or against shooter like Curry and Doncic. These players have changed the game. Before Jokic came along, if you had mentioned the possibility of a 3-pt shooting Point Center who brings up the ball and is a playmaker, someone would have probably shot you in an act of charity to put you out of your misery. Speaking of Wilt I recently learned he had like 271 games where he scored 40 or more, and our modern era the stars have around 37 games like that. To even brag about the modern era I saw some cite have an asterisk of "since the ABA and NBA merged" so they could exclude Wilt and hide that these modern guys at the peak of the 40 or more point game list we're still only around 20% of what Wilt did.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 5, 2024 13:12:05 GMT -8
That was before last night's Golden State Game in which he went 4-12, but point taken. Players like Jokic (and Wemby and Steph Curry, et al) are a reminder that the game of basketball is still in its early days and still evolving and being defined. In the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Wilt was the only 7 footer in the league so he dominated essentially by his size. I don't think Wilt in his prime would dominate today playing against Jokic or Embiid, or against shooter like Curry and Doncic. These players have changed the game. Before Jokic came along, if you had mentioned the possibility of a 3-pt shooting Point Center who brings up the ball and is a playmaker, someone would have probably shot you in an act of charity to put you out of your misery. Speaking of Wilt I recently learned he had like 271 games where he scored 40 or more, and our modern era the stars have around 37 games like that. To even brag about the modern era I saw some cite have an asterisk of "since the ABA and NBA merged" so they could exclude Wilt and hide that these modern guys at the peak of the 40 or more point game list we're still only around 20% of what Wilt did. Good info. I don't like qualifiers like that, that exclude a previous era, if it would have counted for a record.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 5, 2024 13:16:36 GMT -8
Look out, WC. Jokic has missed 5 shots in the last four games. And he's not doing much dunking. That was before last night's Golden State Game in which he went 4-12, but point taken. Players like Jokic (and Wemby and Steph Curry, et al) are a reminder that the game of basketball is still in its early days and still evolving and being defined. In the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Wilt was the only 7 footer in the league so he dominated essentially by his size. I don't think Wilt in his prime would dominate today playing against Jokic or Embiid, or against shooter like Curry and Doncic. These players have changed the game. Before Jokic came along, if you had mentioned the possibility of a 3-pt shooting Point Center who brings up the ball and is a playmaker, someone would have probably shot you in an act of charity to put you out of your misery. We'll never know about 3-point shooting, but Chamberlain lead the league in total assists, at 702, and was 2nd in assists per game, at 8.6, in 1967-1968. Oscar Robertson lead the league in assists per game at 9.7, but only played in 65 games, so he had 633. Chamberlain had played in 82 games. 8.6 being 2nd in the league does seem low, for being 2nd, but he did accomplish that ranking.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 5, 2024 13:19:51 GMT -8
Barkley: "I don't believe in Minnesota. The scariest team in the west is the Los Angeles Clippers. If he [Kawh] didn't get hurt last year, they would have beaten the Suns." I agree with Barkley here. Minnesota's good, but I'll happily take them in round 2 while Denver and OKC battle it out Sadly, I don't know if Minnesota wins in the first round. I hope I'm wrong, because I would hate to go through an entire season with the best record in the league at times, and best record in the conference, and think my team has a decent chance of losing in the first round (before matchups are even decided). OKC might win in a short series against Denver, but lose in the next round.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 5, 2024 13:53:33 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see who Indiana faces in the first round.
Haliburton should have some great games.
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Post by jglanton on Jan 5, 2024 21:32:26 GMT -8
Lakers announcer at the end of their MEM game tonight: "Clippers on Sunday, huh? They'll be hungry. They've figured it out. They have really figured it out."
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Post by mistwell on Jan 5, 2024 22:09:06 GMT -8
That in season tournament was such a sham.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 5, 2024 22:46:21 GMT -8
That in season tournament was such a sham. Looking back on it now, it's incredible they won it. If it wasn't for the play in, them and the Warriors would be dead in the water. Even Phx would be somewhat at risk, though I do think once they get KD back and as long as they have a solid month or two of playing together they can def make some strides. Anything less than a 10 point win on Sunday is unacceptable.
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