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Post by gilp5 on Jan 13, 2024 10:12:06 GMT -8
He has been playing really well lately. He's been here long enough to judge more than a few games. I think he's the 3rd most important player on our team to keep. I don't know how much we would decline if we didn't have him or replaced him with a player that makes half as much. When Kawhi was out this year, our team sucked even with PG. And yet he single-handedly carried the Clippers to their first Western Conference Finals 3 years ago when Kawhi went down. Has he declined since then? That's not accurate. He didn't "single-handedly" carry the Clippers to the WCF although he certainly was one of the main contributors. If you remember that year, the team almost lost in the first round to Dallas and Kawhi saved us. Reggie was arguably as instrumental as PG in getting the Clips to the WCF after Kawhi went down. Also Mann scored 39(!!) points in the decisive game 6. And what happened since then? How about 2020? How about 2022? What does that have to do with whether PG is worth tying up 50m in salary now? I agree PG has been playing great as of late. I don't think he's a max player and I don't think he's as valuable as Harden to this team. I think he's worth about 3 years/90-100m or can be replaced with a player with that salary. I also think they are on the verge of giving him a Kawhi deal, which is way overpaid and the team will regret it later on when they can't sign a good 20m PF/C or maybe even can't extend Harden, and won't be able to trade that albatross contract 2 years from now if they want. |
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Post by corkscrew on Jan 13, 2024 10:22:18 GMT -8
And yet he single-handedly carried the Clippers to their first Western Conference Finals 3 years ago when Kawhi went down. Has he declined since then? That's not accurate. He didn't "single-handedly" carry the Clippers to the WCF although he certainly was one of the main contributors. If you remember that year, the team almost lost in the first round to Dallas and Kawhi saved us. Reggie was arguably as instrumental as PG in getting the Clips to the WCF after Kawhi went down. Also Mann scored 39(!!) points in the decisive game 6. And what happened since then? How about 2020? How about 2022? What does that have to do with whether PG is worth tying up 50m in salary now? I agree PG has been playing great as of late. I don't think he's a max player and I don't think he's as valuable as Harden to this team. I think he's worth about 3 years/90-100m or can be replaced with a player with that salary. I also think they are on the verge of giving him a Kawhi deal, which is way overpaid and the team will regret it later on when they can't sign a good 20m PF/C or maybe even can't extend Harden, and won't be able to trade that albatross contract 2 years from now if they want. Can you give an example or two of a player in that salary range who is as good and can replace him? |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 13, 2024 10:45:00 GMT -8
That's not accurate. He didn't "single-handedly" carry the Clippers to the WCF although he certainly was one of the main contributors. If you remember that year, the team almost lost in the first round to Dallas and Kawhi saved us. Reggie was arguably as instrumental as PG in getting the Clips to the WCF after Kawhi went down. Also Mann scored 39(!!) points in the decisive game 6. And what happened since then? How about 2020? How about 2022? What does that have to do with whether PG is worth tying up 50m in salary now? I agree PG has been playing great as of late. I don't think he's a max player and I don't think he's as valuable as Harden to this team. I think he's worth about 3 years/90-100m or can be replaced with a player with that salary. I also think they are on the verge of giving him a Kawhi deal, which is way overpaid and the team will regret it later on when they can't sign a good 20m PF/C or maybe even can't extend Harden, and won't be able to trade that albatross contract 2 years from now if they want. Can you give an example or two of a player in that salary range who is as good and can replace him? I posted several above - Mitchell, Ingram, etc |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 13, 2024 13:12:09 GMT -8
Can you give an example or two of a player in that salary range who is as good and can replace him? I posted several above - Mitchell, Ingram, etc We have to go based on recent contracts. Guys who have gotten in the 30m/year range recently, you're looking at guys like John Collins, Porzingis. Kyle Kuzma may get around that 30m/yr on his next contract. Fred VanVleet for instance got 40m in the offseason. Ingram and Mitchell aren't getting less than FVV. |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 13, 2024 13:48:24 GMT -8
I posted several above - Mitchell, Ingram, etc We have to go based on recent contracts. Guys who have gotten in the 30m/year range recently, you're looking at guys like John Collins, Porzingis. Kyle Kuzma may get around that 30m/yr on his next contract. Fred VanVleet for instance got 40m in the offseason. Ingram and Mitchell aren't getting less than FVV. Let's see. FVV could be an outlier. In any case, apart from what I think they should do, I think if the Clippers are willing to pay PG the same or similar as Kawhi it will get done quickly. I don't think PG will ask for more than Kawhi. He might even take slightly less. If we don't see a contract in the next couple weeks, it means that the Clippers don't want to pay him the same or slightly less than Kawhi right now. My guess is that they will extend him in the next couple weeks. But if they don't this is what it means. They may also want to wait until after the playoffs to see how PG does and whether Harden will extend. If this is what they decide to do, it means they don't believe there is another team that will offer PG a massive contract in the offseason, or at least not one that they feel threatened by. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 13, 2024 14:16:04 GMT -8
We have to go based on recent contracts. Guys who have gotten in the 30m/year range recently, you're looking at guys like John Collins, Porzingis. Kyle Kuzma may get around that 30m/yr on his next contract. Fred VanVleet for instance got 40m in the offseason. Ingram and Mitchell aren't getting less than FVV. Let's see. FVV could be an outlier. In any case, apart from what I think they should do, I think if the Clippers are willing to pay PG the same or similar as Kawhi it will get done quickly. I don't think PG will ask for more than Kawhi. He might even take slightly less. If we don't see a contract in the next couple weeks, it means that the Clippers don't want to pay him the same or slightly less than Kawhi right now. My guess is that they will extend him in the next couple weeks. But if they don't this is what it means. They may also want to wait until after the playoffs to see how PG does and whether Harden will extend. If this is what they decide to do, it means they don't believe there is another team that will offer PG a massive contract in the offseason, or at least not one that they feel threatened by. I'm not a cap expert so there may need to be an order they have to go to make sure they can pay Harden enough unless PG takes slightly under max. I still think it'll be in the neighborhood Kawhi got though. These guys are all returning on extensions, there's pretty much a 0% chance of any of those 3 leaving. They're only still working out the final details to keep enough flexibility so guys like Mann, Zu and Powell can also get their next contracts. |
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Post by clipsentuboca on Jan 13, 2024 15:21:48 GMT -8
that 39 pt Mann game was legendary for sure. One of the best, and most needed, Clipper performances of the last few years.
The boys should try to get Zu a 30-plus game to add to his resume. Maybe force feed him against a dogcrap team on his birthday or something (I know it’s better for these things to occur naturally mind;).
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