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Post by corkscrew on Jan 14, 2024 22:24:41 GMT -8
The Zu/Harden pick and roll and the actions that play off it is one of our most go to plays. He's not super loud out there, but we miss the stuff he can do. Also allowed Gobert to roam more. I agree though that some of the other stuff like George being off contributed as well. I'm still not too worried about these guys in a playoff series.I am. They are big and long and play excellent D. They have to be respected. Do I think we can beat them in 7 games? Yes, but it would be close. I would feel a lot better about it if we got a quality PF at the trade deadline to start instead of Mann. |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 15, 2024 7:49:44 GMT -8
The Zu/Harden pick and roll and the actions that play off it is one of our most go to plays. He's not super loud out there, but we miss the stuff he can do. Also allowed Gobert to roam more. I agree though that some of the other stuff like George being off contributed as well. I'm still not too worried about these guys in a playoff series.I am. They are big and long and play excellent D. They have to be respected. Do I think we can beat them in 7 games? Yes, but it would be close. I would feel a lot better about it if we got a quality PF at the trade deadline to start instead of Mann. I agree. And I still think were looking at trading Tucker, Plumlee, Boston and our last pick for one. There are a decent number available. I just fear if we do that we will go through a transition period. |
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Post by clipsentuboca on Jan 15, 2024 10:32:11 GMT -8
didn't end up watching game till final couple mins with Kahwi getting blocked by Gobert pretty much ceiling it. From the feedback here looks like the Clips had a chance if played with normal consistency. And of course hurt our main clog-in-the-middle was out*.
*may be a coincidence but seems like Lue often has key rotation players not able to suit up for big regular season games. The ole "don't show them our full force" or "excuse to lose as not at full strength". Highly unlikely that is the case though has seemed to be prevalent over the years.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 15, 2024 12:35:39 GMT -8
I am. They are big and long and play excellent D. They have to be respected. Do I think we can beat them in 7 games? Yes, but it would be close. I would feel a lot better about it if we got a quality PF at the trade deadline to start instead of Mann. I agree. And I still think were looking at trading Tucker, Plumlee, Boston and our last pick for one. There are a decent number available. I just fear if we do that we will go through a transition period. I'd hope we can use Tucker's contract to get something of value, but we have a couple issues. First, the only picks we can trade right now is one first rounder and three 2nd rounders. That's it. I'm not sure if there's any moves we can make to get a couple more 2nd's in the cupboard. The other issue is going to be long term money. We have a lot of guys to pay and the 2nd apron to worry about. I think that's why Kawhi took slightly less on his contract. But being over that 2nd apron is super restrictive. You get moved to the end of the draft, lose your MLE's and anything you can use except for minimums etc. We could maybe trade for a rental, but trading away Tucker is going to need us to put picks in the deal so ideally you'd rather use those picks to get a longer term solution. It's also not totally necessary for us to make a trade. There might be slight upgrades, but if it costs us Powell or Mann down the line then Idk if it's worth it. So basically, I don't know if Tucker/1st gets us anyone good enough to justify doing it. That's not even a very good offer since Tucker is not expiring. Doing that just to get a borderline rotation guy probably isn't worth it. I can see us looking into buy outs though. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 15, 2024 12:38:48 GMT -8
The Zu/Harden pick and roll and the actions that play off it is one of our most go to plays. He's not super loud out there, but we miss the stuff he can do. Also allowed Gobert to roam more. I agree though that some of the other stuff like George being off contributed as well. I'm still not too worried about these guys in a playoff series.I am. They are big and long and play excellent D. They have to be respected. Do I think we can beat them in 7 games? Yes, but it would be close. I would feel a lot better about it if we got a quality PF at the trade deadline to start instead of Mann. Oh I agree, they're def solid and need to be respected. I wouldn't want to face them in the 1st round over the likes of the Kings or Mavs or anything. I just don't have them at the same threat level of Denver or OKC. I think we figure them out over a 7 game series easier. I would like to see them face Denver again. Their size can def help them compete in that match up. |
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Post by corkscrew on Jan 15, 2024 13:09:43 GMT -8
I agree. And I still think were looking at trading Tucker, Plumlee, Boston and our last pick for one. There are a decent number available. I just fear if we do that we will go through a transition period. I'd hope we can use Tucker's contract to get something of value, but we have a couple issues. First, the only picks we can trade right now is one first rounder and three 2nd rounders. That's it. I'm not sure if there's any moves we can make to get a couple more 2nd's in the cupboard. The other issue is going to be long term money. We have a lot of guys to pay and the 2nd apron to worry about. I think that's why Kawhi took slightly less on his contract. But being over that 2nd apron is super restrictive. You get moved to the end of the draft, lose your MLE's and anything you can use except for minimums etc. We could maybe trade for a rental, but trading away Tucker is going to need us to put picks in the deal so ideally you'd rather use those picks to get a longer term solution. It's also not totally necessary for us to make a trade. There might be slight upgrades, but if it costs us Powell or Mann down the line then Idk if it's worth it. So basically, I don't know if Tucker/1st gets us anyone good enough to justify doing it. That's not even a very good offer since Tucker is not expiring. Doing that just to get a borderline rotation guy probably isn't worth it. I can see us looking into buy outs though.I think that's the only realistic possibility. Tucker is an albatross, no one is going to want to take him without a ton of bribery. I think one possible solution to explore might be to try out Theis as a PF to see what happens, and Last night's game would have been the perfect time to experiment with the idea, but then Zu got hurt... |
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Post by basketcase on Jan 15, 2024 14:08:39 GMT -8
I'd hope we can use Tucker's contract to get something of value, but we have a couple issues. First, the only picks we can trade right now is one first rounder and three 2nd rounders. That's it. I'm not sure if there's any moves we can make to get a couple more 2nd's in the cupboard. The other issue is going to be long term money. We have a lot of guys to pay and the 2nd apron to worry about. I think that's why Kawhi took slightly less on his contract. But being over that 2nd apron is super restrictive. You get moved to the end of the draft, lose your MLE's and anything you can use except for minimums etc. We could maybe trade for a rental, but trading away Tucker is going to need us to put picks in the deal so ideally you'd rather use those picks to get a longer term solution. It's also not totally necessary for us to make a trade. There might be slight upgrades, but if it costs us Powell or Mann down the line then Idk if it's worth it. So basically, I don't know if Tucker/1st gets us anyone good enough to justify doing it. That's not even a very good offer since Tucker is not expiring. Doing that just to get a borderline rotation guy probably isn't worth it. I can see us looking into buy outs though.I think that's the only realistic possibility. Tucker is an albatross, no one is going to want to take him without a ton of bribery. I think one possible solution to explore might be to try out Theis as a PF to see what happens, and Last night's game would have been the perfect time to experiment with the idea, but then Zu got hurt... Due to being over the tax apron, I believe we can only pick up players bought out if their contract been bought out is less than the MLE. |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 15, 2024 14:12:03 GMT -8
I agree. And I still think were looking at trading Tucker, Plumlee, Boston and our last pick for one. There are a decent number available. I just fear if we do that we will go through a transition period. I'd hope we can use Tucker's contract to get something of value, but we have a couple issues. First, the only picks we can trade right now is one first rounder and three 2nd rounders. That's it. I'm not sure if there's any moves we can make to get a couple more 2nd's in the cupboard. The other issue is going to be long term money. We have a lot of guys to pay and the 2nd apron to worry about. I think that's why Kawhi took slightly less on his contract. But being over that 2nd apron is super restrictive. You get moved to the end of the draft, lose your MLE's and anything you can use except for minimums etc. We could maybe trade for a rental, but trading away Tucker is going to need us to put picks in the deal so ideally you'd rather use those picks to get a longer term solution. It's also not totally necessary for us to make a trade. There might be slight upgrades, but if it costs us Powell or Mann down the line then Idk if it's worth it. So basically, I don't know if Tucker/1st gets us anyone good enough to justify doing it. That's not even a very good offer since Tucker is not expiring. Doing that just to get a borderline rotation guy probably isn't worth it. I can see us looking into buy outs though. Getting moved to the end of the draft when all your picks have either been traded or swapped is pretty neutral. Your opponent, mostly OKC, gets the worst draft picks possible from their deal. In fact in a weird twist, OKC would have incentive to trade with Clippers to help Clippers get under the 2nd apron, as it would meaningfully improve the possibilities for their draft picks and make those picks more valuable if OKC wants to trade them. It's why I shake my head when people talk about "all those picks" we traded OKC. Right now, at this moment, those picks (other than the one already used) are worth slightly less than the highest 2nd round pick for those drafts as the lowest first round pick comes with guaranteed money while the highest 2nd round pick does not. Their value on the trade market is extremely iffy - particularly since Kawhi signed and PG and Harden look likely to sign as well. Clippers look very likely to remain above the 2nd apron, which likely pisses off OKC who accepted those picks at a time when there was no such thing as that penalty for being over the 2nd apron. I really think the NBA screwed up with the 2nd apron clause. This is not how it was intended to be used. The NBA is lucky OKC is doing well and doesn't itself badly need those picks to improve, because if it had been Detroit we had done this deal with you can bet right now Detroit would be looking for ways to make lopsided trades with the Clippers in the Clippers favor in exchange for the Clippers getting under the 2nd apron so they could get better use from those picks. Which is exactly the opposite intent of the 2nd apron - rewarding a team for spending more money than anyone else. |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 15, 2024 15:12:53 GMT -8
I am. They are big and long and play excellent D. They have to be respected. Do I think we can beat them in 7 games? Yes, but it would be close. I would feel a lot better about it if we got a quality PF at the trade deadline to start instead of Mann. I agree. And I still think were looking at trading Tucker, Plumlee, Boston and our last pick for one. There are a decent number available. I just fear if we do that we will go through a transition period. Why would we trade Plumlee? He's a very good backup C, which we still desperately need (does anyone remember how bad we were when Zu didn't have a backup?) Tucker, Boston, Hyland I could see getting traded because they aren't playing, but out of those Tucker is a negative contract and the other two are maybe worth the equivalent of second round picks. I could see Coffey getting traded too before Plumlee. |
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Post by tullabye on Jan 15, 2024 15:25:59 GMT -8
Absolutely. We shouldn’t nor do I think we’ll entertain trading Plumlee. He’s a great back up center and we only really have three playable bigs as is. Also definitely keep Powell. Coffee, Hyland, Bones and even Mann (for the right player) should be shopped before we even think about giving up our bigs.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 15, 2024 16:19:43 GMT -8
Absolutely. We shouldn’t nor do I think we’ll entertain trading Plumlee. He’s a great back up center and we only really have three playable bigs as is. Also definitely keep Powell. Coffee, Hyland, Bones and even Mann (for the right player) should be shopped before we even think about giving up our bigs. Yes I agree. We should keep Powell. He's playing very well. I was on the get rid of powell train earlier this year, but he's proved me wrong. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 15, 2024 17:11:42 GMT -8
I'd hope we can use Tucker's contract to get something of value, but we have a couple issues. First, the only picks we can trade right now is one first rounder and three 2nd rounders. That's it. I'm not sure if there's any moves we can make to get a couple more 2nd's in the cupboard. The other issue is going to be long term money. We have a lot of guys to pay and the 2nd apron to worry about. I think that's why Kawhi took slightly less on his contract. But being over that 2nd apron is super restrictive. You get moved to the end of the draft, lose your MLE's and anything you can use except for minimums etc. We could maybe trade for a rental, but trading away Tucker is going to need us to put picks in the deal so ideally you'd rather use those picks to get a longer term solution. It's also not totally necessary for us to make a trade. There might be slight upgrades, but if it costs us Powell or Mann down the line then Idk if it's worth it. So basically, I don't know if Tucker/1st gets us anyone good enough to justify doing it. That's not even a very good offer since Tucker is not expiring. Doing that just to get a borderline rotation guy probably isn't worth it. I can see us looking into buy outs though. Getting moved to the end of the draft when all your picks have either been traded or swapped is pretty neutral. Your opponent, mostly OKC, gets the worst draft picks possible from their deal. In fact in a weird twist, OKC would have incentive to trade with Clippers to help Clippers get under the 2nd apron, as it would meaningfully improve the possibilities for their draft picks and make those picks more valuable if OKC wants to trade them. It's why I shake my head when people talk about "all those picks" we traded OKC. Right now, at this moment, those picks (other than the one already used) are worth slightly less than the highest 2nd round pick for those drafts as the lowest first round pick comes with guaranteed money while the highest 2nd round pick does not. Their value on the trade market is extremely iffy - particularly since Kawhi signed and PG and Harden look likely to sign as well. Clippers look very likely to remain above the 2nd apron, which likely pisses off OKC who accepted those picks at a time when there was no such thing as that penalty for being over the 2nd apron. I really think the NBA screwed up with the 2nd apron clause. This is not how it was intended to be used. The NBA is lucky OKC is doing well and doesn't itself badly need those picks to improve, because if it had been Detroit we had done this deal with you can bet right now Detroit would be looking for ways to make lopsided trades with the Clippers in the Clippers favor in exchange for the Clippers getting under the 2nd apron so they could get better use from those picks. Which is exactly the opposite intent of the 2nd apron - rewarding a team for spending more money than anyone else. Yeah that is a weird wrinkle. I wonder if there's a provision for when another team owns your pick. But yeah overall I'm surprised the players agreed to this, they really shouldn't have. It hurts us sure, but it really hurts a lot of players' earning potential by making it this prohibitive to go over the 2nd apron. Maybe if we were a small market team I'd have a different opinion though. |
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Post by dane on Jan 16, 2024 19:57:37 GMT -8
Damn George sucks tonight. And Harden looks like he's put on 30 pounds. Every time he touches the ball, the whole team looks like it's operating in the mud.
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