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Post by corkscrew on Feb 15, 2024 13:43:30 GMT -8
Gallinari just got released. I expect there will some interest. Another one of the PF prototypes. According to Pat Beverley it's down to the Bucks and Clippers for Gallinari. Since when did players become sources on this stuff? If I had to guess I'd guess he ends up on the Bucks. I don't think we have guaranteed minutes to offer every game, nor a role over 10-12 min. The Bucks may not either. Gallo only played in 6 games this season so not sure what to take from his current state. He played pretty well offensively though. I think his defense is pretty shot. I guess he's either an undersized C or a slow PF. He's better offensively than Tucker since he can def pull the trigger on the shot and if PJ is too far gone as a malcontent then we'd have some use for him. We would definitely have use for him in selected games against selected opponents. We could have used him against Minnesota in a number of situations. If I were him, I would be asking two questions: 1) Which team has a better chance of putting a ring on one of my fingers, and 2) where would I prefer to spend the next few months, Milwaukee or Los Angeles? |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 15, 2024 17:02:09 GMT -8
According to Pat Beverley it's down to the Bucks and Clippers for Gallinari. Since when did players become sources on this stuff? If I had to guess I'd guess he ends up on the Bucks. I don't think we have guaranteed minutes to offer every game, nor a role over 10-12 min. The Bucks may not either. Gallo only played in 6 games this season so not sure what to take from his current state. He played pretty well offensively though. I think his defense is pretty shot. I guess he's either an undersized C or a slow PF. He's better offensively than Tucker since he can def pull the trigger on the shot and if PJ is too far gone as a malcontent then we'd have some use for him. We would definitely have use for him in selected games against selected opponents. We could have used him against Minnesota in a number of situations. If I were him, I would be asking two questions: 1) Which team has a better chance of putting a ring on one of my fingers, and 2) where would I prefer to spend the next few months, Milwaukee or Los Angeles? Looks like he chose Milwaukee. For number 1, I guess from the outside looking in the situations don't appear drastically different. Our records are similar. The Bucks also have 2 star players and have won a championship recently. The East I think is also a much easier path. I would put us slightly above the Bucks but I can see why it might not be perceived as a big difference. |
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 15, 2024 17:05:34 GMT -8
We would definitely have use for him in selected games against selected opponents. We could have used him against Minnesota in a number of situations. If I were him, I would be asking two questions: 1) Which team has a better chance of putting a ring on one of my fingers, and 2) where would I prefer to spend the next few months, Milwaukee or Los Angeles? Looks like he chose Milwaukee. For number 1, I guess from the outside looking in the situations don't appear drastically different. Our records are similar. The Bucks also have 2 star players and have won a championship recently. The East I think is also a much easier path. I would put us slightly above the Bucks but I can see why it might not be perceived as a big difference. We don't have too much use for him. We need someone to help in the paint with bigger teams and that's not him. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 15, 2024 17:13:11 GMT -8
Looks like he chose Milwaukee. For number 1, I guess from the outside looking in the situations don't appear drastically different. Our records are similar. The Bucks also have 2 star players and have won a championship recently. The East I think is also a much easier path. I would put us slightly above the Bucks but I can see why it might not be perceived as a big difference. We don't have too much use for him. We need someone to help in the paint with bigger teams and that's not him. I agree. I think offensively he would've been fine, but I wasn't sure he would've helped on defense/rebounding for us to play him in the playoffs against a lot of teams. |
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 15, 2024 17:25:10 GMT -8
Looks like he chose Milwaukee. For number 1, I guess from the outside looking in the situations don't appear drastically different. Our records are similar. The Bucks also have 2 star players and have won a championship recently. The East I think is also a much easier path. I would put us slightly above the Bucks but I can see why it might not be perceived as a big difference. We don't have too much use for him. We need someone to help in the paint with bigger teams and that's not him. That would make sense if there were other choices, but there aren't, we're past the trade deadline. Given the choices — or lack thereof — having him on the roster would have been better than not having him on the roster. |
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 15, 2024 17:54:47 GMT -8
We don't have too much use for him. We need someone to help in the paint with bigger teams and that's not him. That would make sense if there were other choices, but there aren't, we're past the trade deadline. Given the choices — or lack thereof — having him on the roster would have been better than not having him on the roster. Not necessarily. We already have two disgruntled players. And in any case he seems to have read between the lines and chose a team that can use him better. |
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Post by corkscrew on Feb 15, 2024 18:16:30 GMT -8
That would make sense if there were other choices, but there aren't, we're past the trade deadline. Given the choices — or lack thereof — having him on the roster would have been better than not having him on the roster. . And in any case he seems to have read between the lines and chose a team that can use him better. The FO apparently felt differently because they did pursue him. Now, it's possible that while they did pursue him, they might have told him franckly the limited use they would have for him and that may be the reason he chose Milwaukee. Speculations, speculations, speculations... |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 16, 2024 11:21:50 GMT -8
The funny thing is Milwaukee's defense has been terrible so he doesn't actually fit what they need so much either. He is playable, but not in every match up imo.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 16, 2024 12:22:40 GMT -8
I really think our path to the championship narrowed at the trade deadline.
I think if we face Kings, Mavs, Suns, Warriors, Thunder in the playoffs we have a decent shot.
But if we face Nuggets, T-Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans in the playoffs we could be in trouble.
Zu can handle some of these guys. We'd probably beat Lakers, but it would be costly and we lose home court advantage. T-Wolves lack of experience gives us a leg up but their bigs and defense are definitely a challenge. It's possible Zu can handle Jokic good-enough for our guys to deal with the rest of their team. And Pelicans have our number in the regular season but it's fair to say they often don't hold up in the playoffs and Zion's health is in more question than Kawhi PG. So it's not impossible of course to deal with the four teams with bigger guys than ours.
But I sure wish we'd gotten one decent PF defender who can also shoot the 3 at the trade deadline. Batum will be missed, though he is facing his own health issues. In some ways, I wish we had included Mann instead of Batum in the Harden trade. Amir has gotten to be about as good as Mann. I think we believed PJ Tucker could give us some quality defensive minutes at the PF position. Maybe he still can but it sure hasn't seemed that way so far. Let's see if he can come in with an attitude adjustment after the all-star break. But no attitude adjustment will give him the 2-3 more inches he'd need at that spot to really do what we need him to do.
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 16, 2024 15:45:09 GMT -8
I really think our path to the championship narrowed at the trade deadline. I think if we face Kings, Mavs, Suns, Warriors, Thunder in the playoffs we have a decent shot. But if we face Nuggets, T-Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans in the playoffs we could be in trouble. Zu can handle some of these guys. We'd probably beat Lakers, but it would be costly and we lose home court advantage. T-Wolves lack of experience gives us a leg up but their bigs and defense are definitely a challenge. It's possible Zu can handle Jokic good-enough for our guys to deal with the rest of their team. And Pelicans have our number in the regular season but it's fair to say they often don't hold up in the playoffs and Zion's health is in more question than Kawhi PG. So it's not impossible of course to deal with the four teams with bigger guys than ours. But I sure wish we'd gotten one decent PF defender who can also shoot the 3 at the trade deadline. Batum will be missed, though he is facing his own health issues. In some ways, I wish we had included Mann instead of Batum in the Harden trade. Amir has gotten to be about as good as Mann. I think we believed PJ Tucker could give us some quality defensive minutes at the PF position. Maybe he still can but it sure hasn't seemed that way so far. Let's see if he can come in with an attitude adjustment after the all-star break. But no attitude adjustment will give him the 2-3 more inches he'd need at that spot to really do what we need him to do. Wolves are experienced. Gobert and Conley are very experienced and the rest of them have been in the playoffs. They beat us in the play-in. I don't think Batum would have been big or strong enough to deal with the teams you mention. In fact, Theis is probably better for that job. I agree this is definitely a weakness for us, as the last Minnesota game showed, but I just don't think Batum would have helped very much. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 16, 2024 16:26:35 GMT -8
I really think our path to the championship narrowed at the trade deadline. I think if we face Kings, Mavs, Suns, Warriors, Thunder in the playoffs we have a decent shot. But if we face Nuggets, T-Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans in the playoffs we could be in trouble. Zu can handle some of these guys. We'd probably beat Lakers, but it would be costly and we lose home court advantage. T-Wolves lack of experience gives us a leg up but their bigs and defense are definitely a challenge. It's possible Zu can handle Jokic good-enough for our guys to deal with the rest of their team. And Pelicans have our number in the regular season but it's fair to say they often don't hold up in the playoffs and Zion's health is in more question than Kawhi PG. So it's not impossible of course to deal with the four teams with bigger guys than ours. But I sure wish we'd gotten one decent PF defender who can also shoot the 3 at the trade deadline. Batum will be missed, though he is facing his own health issues. In some ways, I wish we had included Mann instead of Batum in the Harden trade. Amir has gotten to be about as good as Mann. I think we believed PJ Tucker could give us some quality defensive minutes at the PF position. Maybe he still can but it sure hasn't seemed that way so far. Let's see if he can come in with an attitude adjustment after the all-star break. But no attitude adjustment will give him the 2-3 more inches he'd need at that spot to really do what we need him to do. I don't think Batum would have been big or strong enough to deal with the teams you mention. In fact, Theis is probably better for that job. I agree this is definitely a weakness for us, as the last Minnesota game showed, but I just don't think Batum would have helped very much. Good point. They've also been to the playoffs in 2 straight years. One could also say that if Minnesota is "inexperienced" because they haven't played in the playoffs with Gobert, then the Clippers are inexperienced because they haven't played in the playoffs with Harden and Westbrook. Going back to Minnesota, that Memphis vs. Minnesota series 2 years ago was fun. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 16, 2024 16:32:05 GMT -8
I think Oklahoma City is hardest in the first round, and get easier the later the round they are in.
Because historically, while teams with veteran players have gone to the NBA Finals or won it in their first year together, I can't recall a precedent of a team with a young core in their first year of the playoffs getting to the NBA Finals. Conference Finals, yes.
So something about the later rounds, seems to be a stopping point.
One can also say that in the first round, they would just go out and play. But as the attention gets bigger in the later rounds, they get scrutinized more.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 16, 2024 17:51:05 GMT -8
I really think our path to the championship narrowed at the trade deadline. I think if we face Kings, Mavs, Suns, Warriors, Thunder in the playoffs we have a decent shot. But if we face Nuggets, T-Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans in the playoffs we could be in trouble. Zu can handle some of these guys. We'd probably beat Lakers, but it would be costly and we lose home court advantage. T-Wolves lack of experience gives us a leg up but their bigs and defense are definitely a challenge. It's possible Zu can handle Jokic good-enough for our guys to deal with the rest of their team. And Pelicans have our number in the regular season but it's fair to say they often don't hold up in the playoffs and Zion's health is in more question than Kawhi PG. So it's not impossible of course to deal with the four teams with bigger guys than ours. But I sure wish we'd gotten one decent PF defender who can also shoot the 3 at the trade deadline. Batum will be missed, though he is facing his own health issues. In some ways, I wish we had included Mann instead of Batum in the Harden trade. Amir has gotten to be about as good as Mann. I think we believed PJ Tucker could give us some quality defensive minutes at the PF position. Maybe he still can but it sure hasn't seemed that way so far. Let's see if he can come in with an attitude adjustment after the all-star break. But no attitude adjustment will give him the 2-3 more inches he'd need at that spot to really do what we need him to do. Keeping the scope on the Clippers regular season (but you can always mention other teams regular season series, because I like the discussion), is there any regular season series that you think the winner of the regular season series, would not win in the playoffs? Here are some recent examples of a team not only losing the regular season series, but getting swept. But then winning the playoffs series. 1). 2019 OKC vs. Portland. OKC won the regular season series 4-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 2). 2015 Toronto vs. Washington: Toronto won the regular season series 3-0. They were swept in the playoffs by Washington. 3). 2011 Chicago vs. Miami: Chicago won the regular season series 3-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 4). 2014 Brooklyn vs. Miami: Brooklyn won the regular season 4-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 5). 1989 Cleveland vs. Chicago: Cleveland won the regular season 6-0. They lost the first round in a best of 5 in 5 games. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 18, 2024 18:35:32 GMT -8
I really think our path to the championship narrowed at the trade deadline. I think if we face Kings, Mavs, Suns, Warriors, Thunder in the playoffs we have a decent shot. But if we face Nuggets, T-Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans in the playoffs we could be in trouble. Zu can handle some of these guys. We'd probably beat Lakers, but it would be costly and we lose home court advantage. T-Wolves lack of experience gives us a leg up but their bigs and defense are definitely a challenge. It's possible Zu can handle Jokic good-enough for our guys to deal with the rest of their team. And Pelicans have our number in the regular season but it's fair to say they often don't hold up in the playoffs and Zion's health is in more question than Kawhi PG. So it's not impossible of course to deal with the four teams with bigger guys than ours. But I sure wish we'd gotten one decent PF defender who can also shoot the 3 at the trade deadline. Batum will be missed, though he is facing his own health issues. In some ways, I wish we had included Mann instead of Batum in the Harden trade. Amir has gotten to be about as good as Mann. I think we believed PJ Tucker could give us some quality defensive minutes at the PF position. Maybe he still can but it sure hasn't seemed that way so far. Let's see if he can come in with an attitude adjustment after the all-star break. But no attitude adjustment will give him the 2-3 more inches he'd need at that spot to really do what we need him to do. Keeping the scope on the Clippers regular season (but you can always mention other teams regular season series, because I like the discussion), is there any regular season series that you think the winner of the regular season series, would not win in the playoffs? Here are some recent examples of a team not only losing the regular season series, but getting swept. But then winning the playoffs series. 1). 2019 OKC vs. Portland. OKC won the regular season series 4-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 2). 2015 Toronto vs. Washington: Toronto won the regular season series 3-0. They were swept in the playoffs by Washington. 3). 2011 Chicago vs. Miami: Chicago won the regular season series 3-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 4). 2014 Brooklyn vs. Miami: Brooklyn won the regular season 4-0. They lost the playoffs series in 5 games. 5). 1989 Cleveland vs. Chicago: Cleveland won the regular season 6-0. They lost the first round in a best of 5 in 5 games. Bump?
Any thoughts?
Any regular season that the Clippers lost, that you think they'd win in the playoffs?
Any that they won, that you think they'd lose in the playoffs?
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