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Post by jglanton on Jan 26, 2024 16:07:06 GMT -8
PG13 is playing but on minutes restriction
Raptors will start Barnes, Brown, Trent Jr., Barrett, Young
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Post by jglanton on Jan 26, 2024 16:40:46 GMT -8
Hopefully the Clips don't over rely on jumpshots to start the toad trip.
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Post by jglanton on Jan 26, 2024 16:55:02 GMT -8
Clips came out playing good defense and got a good start
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 26, 2024 18:12:43 GMT -8
20 point lead. Hopefully Russ and the boys can extend this a bit more so our guys don't have to play too many minutes before tomorrow's game in Boston.
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Post by mistwell on Jan 26, 2024 18:55:02 GMT -8
That went well, though I am not seeing the minutes limitation on PG.
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Post by jglanton on Jan 26, 2024 19:01:33 GMT -8
Solid start to the road trip. Nobody overexherted themselves except for maybe Westbrook which is normal.
You should always win the first game of a b2b. The 2nd game then allows options.
Nice to see a triple double from James.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 26, 2024 19:46:39 GMT -8
That went well, though I am not seeing the minutes limitation on PG. Did you see Luka's scoring line tonight? Still think SGA is better? |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 26, 2024 20:03:37 GMT -8
That went well, though I am not seeing the minutes limitation on PG. Did you see Luka's scoring line tonight? Still think SGA is better? Did you see my reaction to Luka's scoring line tonight? It's in the thread you'd think it would be in, rather than a Clippers game thread. I mean I get you. I get who you are now and how you view basketball. I don't think like you about basketball. And I genuinely wonder why you ended up as a Clippers fan rather than a Lakers fan. I am not calling you a Lakers fan. I don't mean that comment as an insult. I am wondering why, given how you view the game, that's not where you ended up. They're a better fit for how you think about the game. Kobe and Lebron are better fits for how you think about the game. So why the Clippers? Why are you a fan of the team that focuses so much on team, rather than a fan of a team that focuses on the individual, given you view the game through the lens of individualism? And yes my answer remains the same. If given the choice to BUILD A TEAM around one of Luka or SGA, I would choose SGA. Because SGA is a team oriented player, and Luka is not. |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 26, 2024 20:29:42 GMT -8
Hey we're the 3rd seed!  |
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Post by jglanton on Jan 26, 2024 20:32:35 GMT -8
Hey we're the 3rd seed! Hey I was just going to post that! Clips moved ahead of Denver on winning pct. Phx stumbled to 6th Good night |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 27, 2024 1:06:33 GMT -8
Did you see Luka's scoring line tonight? Still think SGA is better? Did you see my reaction to Luka's scoring line tonight? It's in the thread you'd think it would be in, rather than a Clippers game thread. I mean I get you. I get who you are now and how you view basketball. I don't think like you about basketball. And I genuinely wonder why you ended up as a Clippers fan rather than a Lakers fan. I am not calling you a Lakers fan. I don't mean that comment as an insult. I am wondering why, given how you view the game, that's not where you ended up. They're a better fit for how you think about the game. Kobe and Lebron are better fits for how you think about the game. So why the Clippers? Why are you a fan of the team that focuses so much on team, rather than a fan of a team that focuses on the individual, given you view the game through the lens of individualism? And yes my answer remains the same. If given the choice to BUILD A TEAM around one of Luka or SGA, I would choose SGA. Because SGA is a team oriented player, and Luka is not. I completely disagree with your premise and that's not at all how I view the game. You read me wrong. We are talking about SGA v Luka and who is more talented, valuable for a variety of metrics. I disagree that Luka is less of a team player. Where is your metric to back that up? In tonight's 73 point performance Luka also had 7 assists, a team high! This is not the sign of a selfish player. Just because a player's defense is suspect does not make them selfish. Luka is playing with a bad team right now. Put him on the Clippers and he would not take that many shots. But back to the original point, Luka is plainly more talented than SGA. His offensive skills are so much better, it more than makes up for his defensive issues. He can take over a game single handedly and also lead a mediocre team to the WCF. SGA is a good player and a more valuable player at this stage than PG, but we haven't seen him lead or take over a game or put a mediocre team on his back the same way Luka can. Maybe he reaches that level at some point, I don't know. His OKC teams have not performed the same way. Also, the Clippers focus on individual stars just as much as any other team, don't kid yourself. Just because Kawhi and company don't have the egos that other stars have, do not mean they are more or less "team players" than AD on the Lakers. This is not the SGA/Patrick Beverley/Lou Williams team that had no stars and took GSW to 6 games through a pure team effort. |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 27, 2024 8:02:25 GMT -8
Did you see my reaction to Luka's scoring line tonight? It's in the thread you'd think it would be in, rather than a Clippers game thread. I mean I get you. I get who you are now and how you view basketball. I don't think like you about basketball. And I genuinely wonder why you ended up as a Clippers fan rather than a Lakers fan. I am not calling you a Lakers fan. I don't mean that comment as an insult. I am wondering why, given how you view the game, that's not where you ended up. They're a better fit for how you think about the game. Kobe and Lebron are better fits for how you think about the game. So why the Clippers? Why are you a fan of the team that focuses so much on team, rather than a fan of a team that focuses on the individual, given you view the game through the lens of individualism? And yes my answer remains the same. If given the choice to BUILD A TEAM around one of Luka or SGA, I would choose SGA. Because SGA is a team oriented player, and Luka is not. I completely disagree with your premise and that's not at all how I view the game. You read me wrong. We are talking about SGA v Luka and who is more talented, valuable for a variety of metrics. I disagree that Luka is less of a team player. Where is your metric to back that up? In tonight's 73 point performance Luka also had 7 assists, a team high! This is not the sign of a selfish player. Just because a player's defense is suspect does not make them selfish. Luka is playing with a bad team right now. Put him on the Clippers and he would not take that many shots. But back to the original point, Luka is plainly more talented than SGA. His offensive skills are so much better, it more than makes up for his defensive issues. He can take over a game single handedly and also lead a mediocre team to the WCF. SGA is a good player and a more valuable player at this stage than PG, but we haven't seen him lead or take over a game or put a mediocre team on his back the same way Luka can. Maybe he reaches that level at some point, I don't know. His OKC teams have not performed the same way. Also, the Clippers focus on individual stars just as much as any other team, don't kid yourself. Just because Kawhi and company don't have the egos that other stars have, do not mean they are more or less "team players" than AD on the Lakers. This is not the SGA/Patrick Beverley/Lou Williams team that had no stars and took GSW to 6 games through a pure team effort. No, we were never talking about who was more talented. YOU were, but I was responding to the question of who would you BUILD A TEAM AROUND. That's the disconnect here. But you know what, I am not going to continue to respond to just you about this topic in this game thread. Because everyone else is talking about it in the other thread, and I already replied over there about it. So let's move there. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 23, 2024 13:36:35 GMT -8
But back to the original point, Luka is plainly more talented than SGA. His offensive skills are so much better, it more than makes up for his defensive issues. He can take over a game single handedly and also lead a mediocre team to the WCF. SGA is a good player and a more valuable player at this stage than PG, but we haven't seen him lead or take over a game or put a mediocre team on his back the same way Luka can. Maybe he reaches that level at some point, I don't know. His OKC teams have not performed the same way. Also, the Clippers focus on individual stars just as much as any other team, don't kid yourself. Just because Kawhi and company don't have the egos that other stars have, do not mean they are more or less "team players" than AD on the Lakers. This is not the SGA/Patrick Beverley/Lou Williams team that had no stars and took GSW to 6 games through a pure team effort. I do agree that George and Leonard are also individual players. In the current era, a general rule (with exceptions existing) would be that a "team" is one without a scoring All-Star. Given that the scoring by individual players is so much more NOW, than it used to be, a team with a scoring All-Star is individualistic to a degree. Because one player is doing more than before. A team like Utah with Markkanen (even though he's not officially an All-Star this year) is also individualistic, because of how much he is scoring. In a prior era, when individual scoring totals were lower, I think responsibility could be a little more even. One example of what I would consider a "team", from a previous era, was the 2014-2015 Hawks. They had 4 All-Stars, but their scoring leader averaged 16 ppg. That's a low number. None of those were elite scorers during that season. I would also say that if your best player is your passing PG, then you can also be a "team". So in one sense, I could qualify Indiana. However, a "team" also has some competency on defense. A "team" wins games without a scoring All-Star, and has some semblance of defense. Indiana has not have a semblance of defense. So they are not a team if they don't work together on that end of the floor. So in this current era, that might be Toronto and Houston. Scottie Barnes isn't an elite scorer. Too many other teams have players with elevated scoring averages, compared to a previous era. In a previous era, it was hard to get to 20 or 21 ppg. What I'm saying is not cut and dry. I do think the Clippers are a team defensively, finally. So that's one team aspect. But also George and Leonard have isolation type games, and there is a big difference between scoring #2 and #3. As soon as you have an elite scoring All-Star, it's hard to be a "team" offensively overall, unless your best player is a passing PG. Or a team with multiple players averaging 5 assists per game. I imagine a "team" as one where the go to guy is not as well defined, and one whose identity is competent on defense. Other people can have their own interpretations. |
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