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Post by clipanswerman on Jan 31, 2024 7:48:06 GMT -8
Paul George is laboring a bit. He should be out until he's 100%.
On the other side of the coin, that was the first time I've seen Donovan Mitchell play when he wasn't laboring. He always seems to have an ankle really bothering him and he's always hobbling. But in this game, he was 100%. He's absolutely fantastic. A true superstar. Paul George is a better defender, but overall Mitchell is way better than Paul George. Period, end of story.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 31, 2024 10:34:17 GMT -8
Paul George is laboring a bit. He should be out until he's 100%. On the other side of the coin, that was the first time I've seen Donovan Mitchell play when he wasn't laboring. He always seems to have an ankle really bothering him and he's always hobbling. But in this game, he was 100%. He's absolutely fantastic. A true superstar. Paul George is a better defender, but overall Mitchell is way better than Paul George. Period, end of story. Are you sure PG is a better defender? Based on what metrics? Look at the defensive WS ratings and Mitchell is #1 in the NBA, PG is #33 - www.nba.com/stats/players/defenseOf course Mitchell is better overall and the metrics back this up. I don't understand the PG hype goggles some people have. |
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Post by htownfan on Jan 31, 2024 11:07:37 GMT -8
Paul George is laboring a bit. He should be out until he's 100%. On the other side of the coin, that was the first time I've seen Donovan Mitchell play when he wasn't laboring. He always seems to have an ankle really bothering him and he's always hobbling. But in this game, he was 100%. He's absolutely fantastic. A true superstar. Paul George is a better defender, but overall Mitchell is way better than Paul George. Period, end of story. Are you sure PG is a better defender? Based on what metrics? Look at the defensive WS ratings and Mitchell is #1 in the NBA, PG is #33 - www.nba.com/stats/players/defenseOf course Mitchell is better overall and the metrics back this up. I don't understand the PG hype goggles some people have. Yeah but what has he really done in the playoffs? I haven't been that impressed since he beat Westbrook in the playoffs his rookie year. Lost to my Rockets twice with the 2nd meeting in a 5 game series. Had a 3-1 lead against Denver and choked it, next beat a young memphis team then lost to you guys. Lost to Dallas in 6 in 1st round, Went to Cleveland and lost to sucky Knicks in 5 in the 1st round again. |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 31, 2024 11:14:30 GMT -8
Are you sure PG is a better defender? Based on what metrics? Look at the defensive WS ratings and Mitchell is #1 in the NBA, PG is #33 - www.nba.com/stats/players/defenseOf course Mitchell is better overall and the metrics back this up. I don't understand the PG hype goggles some people have. Yeah but what has he really done in the playoffs? I haven't been that impressed since he beat Westbrook in the playoffs his rookie year. Lost to my Rockets twice with the 2nd meeting in a 5 game series. Had a 3-1 lead against Denver and choked it, next beat a young memphis team then lost to you guys. Lost to Dallas in 6 in 1st round, Went to Cleveland and lost to sucky Knicks in 5 in the 1st round again. Totally irrelevant. Did you see PG in the playoffs in 2020? In any case, under what actual metrics is Mitchell better than PG? I'm still waiting to see. Under defensive WS Mitchell is much better. What's the counter to that? |
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Post by htownfan on Jan 31, 2024 11:30:08 GMT -8
Yeah but what has he really done in the playoffs? I haven't been that impressed since he beat Westbrook in the playoffs his rookie year. Lost to my Rockets twice with the 2nd meeting in a 5 game series. Had a 3-1 lead against Denver and choked it, next beat a young memphis team then lost to you guys. Lost to Dallas in 6 in 1st round, Went to Cleveland and lost to sucky Knicks in 5 in the 1st round again. Totally irrelevant. Did you see PG in the playoffs in 2020? In any case, under what actual metrics is Mitchell better than PG? I'm still waiting to see. Under defensive WS Mitchell is much better. What's the counter to that? Yeah I wasn't really disagreeing with what you said I was just saying Mitchell sucks too...... |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 31, 2024 12:35:13 GMT -8
Yeah but what has he really done in the playoffs? I haven't been that impressed since he beat Westbrook in the playoffs his rookie year. Lost to my Rockets twice with the 2nd meeting in a 5 game series. Had a 3-1 lead against Denver and choked it, next beat a young memphis team then lost to you guys. Lost to Dallas in 6 in 1st round, Went to Cleveland and lost to sucky Knicks in 5 in the 1st round again. Totally irrelevant. Did you see PG in the playoffs in 2020? In any case, under what actual metrics is Mitchell better than PG? I'm still waiting to see. Under defensive WS Mitchell is much better. What's the counter to that? I'd be curious to see what Mitchell's defensive metrics are improved from. Okoro and Allen are really good defensive players. When I watch him, he has the traits to be a good defender, but I don't see anything elite about him. Also, like htown said, he has a pretty poor track record in the postseason too. I think he's def a good player, but he just misses on being the true number 1 option for a championship team. He's good enough to do it I guess, but I think it's one of those things where if he's your number 1 guy, you're a 1st or 2nd round team. He'd be really good as a number 2 guy to a Jokic/Embiid/Kawhi/KD/Luka type if he learned how to play a complementary role. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Jan 31, 2024 12:44:58 GMT -8
Paul George is laboring a bit. He should be out until he's 100%. On the other side of the coin, that was the first time I've seen Donovan Mitchell play when he wasn't laboring. He always seems to have an ankle really bothering him and he's always hobbling. But in this game, he was 100%. He's absolutely fantastic. A true superstar. Paul George is a better defender, but overall Mitchell is way better than Paul George. Period, end of story. Are you sure PG is a better defender? Based on what metrics? Look at the defensive WS ratings and Mitchell is #1 in the NBA, PG is #33 - www.nba.com/stats/players/defenseOf course Mitchell is better overall and the metrics back this up. I don't understand the PG hype goggles some people have. Believe me, I'm right there with you. |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 31, 2024 13:20:59 GMT -8
Totally irrelevant. Did you see PG in the playoffs in 2020? In any case, under what actual metrics is Mitchell better than PG? I'm still waiting to see. Under defensive WS Mitchell is much better. What's the counter to that? I'd be curious to see what Mitchell's defensive metrics are improved from. Okoro and Allen are really good defensive players. When I watch him, he has the traits to be a good defender, but I don't see anything elite about him. Also, like htown said, he has a pretty poor track record in the postseason too. I think he's def a good player, but he just misses on being the true number 1 option for a championship team. He's good enough to do it I guess, but I think it's one of those things where if he's your number 1 guy, you're a 1st or 2nd round team. He'd be really good as a number 2 guy to a Jokic/Embiid/Kawhi/KD/Luka type if he learned how to play a complementary role. I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. |
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Post by htownfan on Jan 31, 2024 14:25:09 GMT -8
I'd be curious to see what Mitchell's defensive metrics are improved from. Okoro and Allen are really good defensive players. When I watch him, he has the traits to be a good defender, but I don't see anything elite about him. Also, like htown said, he has a pretty poor track record in the postseason too. I think he's def a good player, but he just misses on being the true number 1 option for a championship team. He's good enough to do it I guess, but I think it's one of those things where if he's your number 1 guy, you're a 1st or 2nd round team. He'd be really good as a number 2 guy to a Jokic/Embiid/Kawhi/KD/Luka type if he learned how to play a complementary role. I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. Cmon Mitchell is not a 1B, I call BS..a 2 maybe like hitnrun stated but......You can't deny what PG has already accomplished and that is being the true #1 on a conference finals team not once, not twice but 3 times....that alone sets him apart from Mitchell. I don't even like PG but I give him credit. Yeah it's easy to say he is 2b or #3 when you have an 2 time NBA champion on the team and someone else who has been to conference finals 3 times along with an NBA finals.....Mitchell would not be higher than a 3 on the Clipper team and that is debatable. |
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Post by mistwell on Jan 31, 2024 15:09:28 GMT -8
I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. Cmon Mitchell is not a 1B, I call BS..a 2 maybe like hitnrun stated but......You can't deny what PG has already accomplished and that is being the true #1 on a conference finals team not once, not twice but 3 times....that alone sets him apart from Mitchell. I don't even like PG but I give him credit. Yeah it's easy to say he is 2b or #3 when you have an 2 time NBA champion on the team and someone else who has been to conference finals 3 times along with an NBA finals.....Mitchell would not be higher than a 3 on the Clipper team and that is debatable. How weird is it that Glip5 is the only PG hater left here (and yeah, even CAM isn't a PG hater anymore) and a fan of the Houston Rockets who doesn't even like PG is the one pointing it out. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Jan 31, 2024 15:23:33 GMT -8
Cmon Mitchell is not a 1B, I call BS..a 2 maybe like hitnrun stated but......You can't deny what PG has already accomplished and that is being the true #1 on a conference finals team not once, not twice but 3 times....that alone sets him apart from Mitchell. I don't even like PG but I give him credit. Yeah it's easy to say he is 2b or #3 when you have an 2 time NBA champion on the team and someone else who has been to conference finals 3 times along with an NBA finals.....Mitchell would not be higher than a 3 on the Clipper team and that is debatable. How weird is it that Glip5 is the only PG hater left here (and yeah, even CAM isn't a PG hater anymore) and a fan of the Houston Rockets who doesn't even like PG is the one pointing it out. You're still a child. Someone criticizes a clipper and they're a 'hater' - and deeply resent it on a Clippers message board! You and Trapp - what a pair. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Jan 31, 2024 15:34:40 GMT -8
I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. Cmon Mitchell is not a 1B, I call BS..a 2 maybe like hitnrun stated but......You can't deny what PG has already accomplished and that is being the true #1 on a conference finals team not once, not twice but 3 times....that alone sets him apart from Mitchell. I don't even like PG but I give him credit. Yeah it's easy to say he is 2b or #3 when you have an 2 time NBA champion on the team and someone else who has been to conference finals 3 times along with an NBA finals.....Mitchell would not be higher than a 3 on the Clipper team and that is debatable. Agree with Gilp. Here's how I would rank who I want the ball with when I need to score - which pretty much determines who's 1 or 1b or 2. 1. Kawhi 2. Mitchell 3. Harden 4. Powell 5. Zubac 6. Paul George Paul George is not a '1' or even close on a championship team. Ask yourself this question: 10 seconds left, down by one - do you want the ball in his hands? No way. Too many other guys who'd be better than him (4 guys) - and that's on his own team. Last time I checked there were 30 teams. |
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Post by htownfan on Jan 31, 2024 17:10:01 GMT -8
Cmon Mitchell is not a 1B, I call BS..a 2 maybe like hitnrun stated but......You can't deny what PG has already accomplished and that is being the true #1 on a conference finals team not once, not twice but 3 times....that alone sets him apart from Mitchell. I don't even like PG but I give him credit. Yeah it's easy to say he is 2b or #3 when you have an 2 time NBA champion on the team and someone else who has been to conference finals 3 times along with an NBA finals.....Mitchell would not be higher than a 3 on the Clipper team and that is debatable. Agree with Gilp. Here's how I would rank who I want the ball with when I need to score - which pretty much determines who's 1 or 1b or 2. 1. Kawhi 2. Mitchell 3. Harden 4. Powell 5. Zubac 6. Paul George Paul George is not a '1' or even close on a championship team. Ask yourself this question: 10 seconds left, down by one - do you want the ball in his hands? No way. Too many other guys who'd be better than him (4 guys) - and that's on his own team. Last time I checked there were 30 teams. I wouid ask myself the question of who has done it consistently for a playoff run to get to that championship game? I personally would ask who actually has taken a shot in a game that is 1 game from an NBA finals or actually in the NBA finals. Mitchell and Zubac would not be on that list as they don't even know that feeling. Powell has hit some big shots and is a champion but he is not carrying a team. He had a good playoffs last year for the Clippers but His playoff average is only 8 points. He is no Robert Horry. Kawhi, Harden George have all hit those shots, heck even Westbrook. Kawhi, Harden. George Mitchell would be my order...... |
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 31, 2024 18:12:03 GMT -8
Agree with Gilp. Here's how I would rank who I want the ball with when I need to score - which pretty much determines who's 1 or 1b or 2. 1. Kawhi 2. Mitchell 3. Harden 4. Powell 5. Zubac 6. Paul George Paul George is not a '1' or even close on a championship team. Ask yourself this question: 10 seconds left, down by one - do you want the ball in his hands? No way. Too many other guys who'd be better than him (4 guys) - and that's on his own team. Last time I checked there were 30 teams. I wouid ask myself the question of who has done it consistently for a playoff run to get to that championship game? I personally would ask who actually has taken a shot in a game that is 1 game from an NBA finals or actually in the NBA finals. Mitchell and Zubac would not be on that list as they don't even know that feeling. Powell has hit some big shots and is a champion but he is not carrying a team. He had a good playoffs last year for the Clippers but His playoff average is only 8 points. He is no Robert Horry. Kawhi, Harden George have all hit those shots, heck even Westbrook. Kawhi, Harden. George Mitchell would be my order...... PG had one decent playoff run and many awful ones (with the Clippers and OKC). "Consistently" and "playoffs" should not be used for PG. Playoffs also have to do with an entire team. It's an entirely irrelevant metric in this conversation. I'm not a PG "hater." I just think he's very overrated by Clipper fans. I put his market value at 3 years/100m. How is that a "hater"? |
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Post by htownfan on Jan 31, 2024 21:26:46 GMT -8
I wouid ask myself the question of who has done it consistently for a playoff run to get to that championship game? I personally would ask who actually has taken a shot in a game that is 1 game from an NBA finals or actually in the NBA finals. Mitchell and Zubac would not be on that list as they don't even know that feeling. Powell has hit some big shots and is a champion but he is not carrying a team. He had a good playoffs last year for the Clippers but His playoff average is only 8 points. He is no Robert Horry. Kawhi, Harden George have all hit those shots, heck even Westbrook. Kawhi, Harden. George Mitchell would be my order...... PG had one decent playoff run and many awful ones (with the Clippers and OKC). "Consistently" and "playoffs" should not be used for PG. Playoffs also have to do with an entire team. It's an entirely irrelevant metric in this conversation. I'm not a PG "hater." I just think he's very overrated by Clipper fans. I put his market value at 3 years/100m. How is that a "hater"? Ahhhh but I see how you conveniently left off his 2 "great years" with Indiana where there was no doubt he was 1 and only alpha. He took them to 2 straight Conf finals. If you are bringing up terms like "overrated then playoff performance should always be in play in this type of conversation. Switch teams and do roles reverse? I dang sure believe that PG gets his team more than 1 win against the Knicks in the playoffs...We can agree to disagree on the comparison but like I stated the only time I was impressed with Spiderman was when he carried his Utah team over a Westbrook led team in the playoffs. As a Rockets fan and watching my team kick his team out two years straight I wasnt impressed or even worried about losing to them. |
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