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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 31, 2024 23:39:03 GMT -8
I'd be curious to see what Mitchell's defensive metrics are improved from. Okoro and Allen are really good defensive players. When I watch him, he has the traits to be a good defender, but I don't see anything elite about him. Also, like htown said, he has a pretty poor track record in the postseason too. I think he's def a good player, but he just misses on being the true number 1 option for a championship team. He's good enough to do it I guess, but I think it's one of those things where if he's your number 1 guy, you're a 1st or 2nd round team. He'd be really good as a number 2 guy to a Jokic/Embiid/Kawhi/KD/Luka type if he learned how to play a complementary role. I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. In another thread, I asked for the Clippers Banana Rankings.
Does anyone want to give them?
You can use banana tiers, 1A/1B/2, 1/2/3, etc.
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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 31, 2024 23:42:30 GMT -8
PG had one decent playoff run and many awful ones (with the Clippers and OKC). "Consistently" and "playoffs" should not be used for PG. Playoffs also have to do with an entire team. It's an entirely irrelevant metric in this conversation. I'm not a PG "hater." I just think he's very overrated by Clipper fans. I put his market value at 3 years/100m. How is that a "hater"? Ahhhh but I see how you conveniently left off his 2 "great years" with Indiana where there was no doubt he was 1 and only alpha. He took them to 2 straight Conf finals. If you are bringing up terms like "overrated then playoff performance should always be in play in this type of conversation. Switch teams and do roles reverse? I dang sure believe that PG gets his team more than 1 win against the Knicks in the playoffs...We can agree to disagree on the comparison but like I stated the only time I was impressed with Spiderman was when he carried his Utah team over a Westbrook led team in the playoffs. As a Rockets fan and watching my team kick his team out two years straight I wasnt impressed or even worried about losing to them. Agree the Knicks were and are so shitty.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 1, 2024 12:49:08 GMT -8
I would say Mitchell could be a 1B. But I would definitely not say PG could be a "true number 1 option to a championship team." On the current Clippers I would rank PG as #3 or maybe 2B. In another thread, I asked for the Clippers Banana Rankings.
Does anyone want to give them?
You can use banana tiers, 1A/1B/2, 1/2/3, etc.
I think this is the year where it's most difficult to give banana rankings because this teams is so synchronized and unselfish. But I guess I'd go KL 1, Harden 2A, PG 2B. And with Zu out, I am not even sure where to go from there because I would have originally said Zu as 3 but his injury throws that up in the air. Westbrook and Powell have been great. Mann has really stepped up. Plumlee, when not injured, has stepped up. It's been such a team effort. I guess if I were forced to answer I'd say Powell 3, Westbrook 4, Mann 5.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 1, 2024 14:19:05 GMT -8
In another thread, I asked for the Clippers Banana Rankings.
Does anyone want to give them?
You can use banana tiers, 1A/1B/2, 1/2/3, etc.
I think this is the year where it's most difficult to give banana rankings because this teams is so synchronized and unselfish. But I guess I'd go KL 1, Harden 2A, PG 2B. And with Zu out, I am not even sure where to go from there because I would have originally said Zu as 3 but his injury throws that up in the air. Westbrook and Powell have been great. Mann has really stepped up. Plumlee, when not injured, has stepped up. It's been such a team effort. I guess if I were forced to answer I'd say Powell 3, Westbrook 4, Mann 5. Thank you. And it being difficult kind of makes it more interesting. jglanton, would you put Zubac ahead of Harden? Or what are your rankings?
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 1, 2024 14:27:52 GMT -8
Ahhhh but I see how you conveniently left off his 2 "great years" with Indiana where there was no doubt he was 1 and only alpha. He took them to 2 straight Conf finals. If you are bringing up terms like "overrated then playoff performance should always be in play in this type of conversation. Switch teams and do roles reverse? I dang sure believe that PG gets his team more than 1 win against the Knicks in the playoffs...We can agree to disagree on the comparison but like I stated the only time I was impressed with Spiderman was when he carried his Utah team over a Westbrook led team in the playoffs. As a Rockets fan and watching my team kick his team out two years straight I wasnt impressed or even worried about losing to them. Agree the Knicks were and are so shitty.
In one defense of Cleveland, they couldn't even make the playoffs the year before Mitchell. They were the 8th seed heading into the play-in games, and lost both, to fall out of the playoffs. I like their talent, but without Mitchell or with Mitchell, perhaps their players are taking longer than expected, to know how to win in the playoffs / play-in. One person can't overcome other players also struggling with rebounding, consistency, stronger opposing game plans, defense, etc. Mobley was not good in the 5 playoffs games. He was good in the two play-in games in 2022.
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Post by gilp5 on Feb 1, 2024 18:17:50 GMT -8
In another thread, I asked for the Clippers Banana Rankings.
Does anyone want to give them?
You can use banana tiers, 1A/1B/2, 1/2/3, etc.
I think this is the year where it's most difficult to give banana rankings because this teams is so synchronized and unselfish. But I guess I'd go KL 1, Harden 2A, PG 2B. And with Zu out, I am not even sure where to go from there because I would have originally said Zu as 3 but his injury throws that up in the air. Westbrook and Powell have been great. Mann has really stepped up. Plumlee, when not injured, has stepped up. It's been such a team effort. I guess if I were forced to answer I'd say Powell 3, Westbrook 4, Mann 5. This is almost the exact same rankings that I gave.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 1, 2024 19:32:44 GMT -8
This is somewhat relevant when doing rankings. In "crunch time games" (5 minutes or less in the game, score within 5 points or less), who is the best at points, free throw attempts, rebounds, and steals, assists? Let's see: www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?TeamID=1610612746Leonard and George are identical with points and FG %. Leonard, George, Zubac, Westbrook are about even in rebounds. Harden, Leonard, Westbrook are about even in assists. Leonard, George, Westbrook are about even in steals. George has a slight edge over Leonard in FTA. Blowouts are good too. Just wanted to look at this data for the moment.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 1, 2024 19:52:27 GMT -8
Cool stuff. Worth mulling
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 1, 2024 20:17:11 GMT -8
I didn't realize Westbrook was still rebounding in crunch time. He might play less minutes, but on a per minute basis, it looks like he still rebounds when he's out there.
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