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Post by corkscrew on Jan 9, 2024 13:14:55 GMT -8
Lue didn't like Covington for whatever reason. He refused to give him the playing time that others thought he deserved. Batum would have been helpful to keep. Mann is still a trade asset though. I don't think Batum or Covington would be much of trade assets. I agree. I don't think Lue would've played Covington, who's also fallen out of the main rotation in Philly too for whatever that's worth. I liked Covington more than the coaches usually seem to, but I def wouldn't have taken him over Mann who also can be a piece for the remaining prime years of our core players. 1 more PF would be nice, but not at the expense of messing too much with what we have. Also, what is a PF anymore? There's like 3-4 different archetypes for that position now. There's the Sabonis type, extremely skilled all around offense and rebounder but defensively is a huge liability. Siakam, another good offensive all around player but bad 3 point shot to work around. Aaron Gordon, probably one of my favorite types, really athletic and great defender. Can score at the rim too. 3 point shot is passable sometimes but can come and go. Jerami Grant is probably somewhat in the same mold, but miscast on bad teams as more of a scorer than he would be for us. Both these guys can defend inside and on the perimeter so they have a lot of value imo. Olynyk, great shooter and rebounder. Can play some 5, but wouldn't be able to protect the paint. More of a luxury guy off the bench imo. I would say the Sabonis/Siakam types are way out of our price range, but also their skills would be pretty unnecessary on this team. I don't even know if we could get the other guys (obv we def couldn't get Gordon since the Nuggets wouldn't trade him to us) for what they'll go for or if we can find the lower budget versions of them. Harrison Barnes maybe? So it's like the skilled bigger bodied 4's who can't guard the perimeter or the oversized SF's that lack elsewhere. Depends on the way the team is constructed. In our case, Batum was the ideal guy, great BB IQ, did all the little things and was always in the right place at the right time, good one-on-one defender as well as team defender, had size and mobility and could defend guards as well as bigs, collected rebounds and was a good scorer... Essentially Terrence Mann with 3-4 more inches and 15-25 more lbs.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 9, 2024 13:30:15 GMT -8
I agree. I don't think Lue would've played Covington, who's also fallen out of the main rotation in Philly too for whatever that's worth. I liked Covington more than the coaches usually seem to, but I def wouldn't have taken him over Mann who also can be a piece for the remaining prime years of our core players. 1 more PF would be nice, but not at the expense of messing too much with what we have. Also, what is a PF anymore? There's like 3-4 different archetypes for that position now. There's the Sabonis type, extremely skilled all around offense and rebounder but defensively is a huge liability. Siakam, another good offensive all around player but bad 3 point shot to work around. Aaron Gordon, probably one of my favorite types, really athletic and great defender. Can score at the rim too. 3 point shot is passable sometimes but can come and go. Jerami Grant is probably somewhat in the same mold, but miscast on bad teams as more of a scorer than he would be for us. Both these guys can defend inside and on the perimeter so they have a lot of value imo. Olynyk, great shooter and rebounder. Can play some 5, but wouldn't be able to protect the paint. More of a luxury guy off the bench imo. I would say the Sabonis/Siakam types are way out of our price range, but also their skills would be pretty unnecessary on this team. I don't even know if we could get the other guys (obv we def couldn't get Gordon since the Nuggets wouldn't trade him to us) for what they'll go for or if we can find the lower budget versions of them. Harrison Barnes maybe? So it's like the skilled bigger bodied 4's who can't guard the perimeter or the oversized SF's that lack elsewhere. Depends on the way the team is constructed. In our case, Batum was the ideal guy, great BB IQ, did all the little things and was always in the right place at the right time, good one-on-one defender as well as team defender, had size and mobility and could defend guards as well as bigs, collected rebounds and was a good scorer... Essentially Terrence Mann with 3-4 more inches and 15-25 more lbs. Yeah Batum was great for us, really wish it was possible to have kept him. I think Olynyk may be even better if we could get him since he'd allow us to play big if needed. He's not great on defense, but isn't a liability either. And he's a real shooter, not just a guy who can make a 3 if you leave him open. Would we be willing to give up our '30 1st (basically the last 1st we can trade for a while) to get him while dumping worthless PJ? Is that enough for Utah?
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Post by mistwell on Jan 9, 2024 14:48:03 GMT -8
The issue with Batum is he was getting fatigued due to overusage and age. He's simply not good for the quantity of minutes Mann can play and is best at 20 minutes and under.
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