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Post by jglanton on Jan 22, 2024 10:07:31 GMT -8
Feb. 8: NBA Trade Deadline (3 p.m. ET)
Its probably time to have a thread to have a discussion about this.
The Clippers are a pretty complete team so it will be tricky to find another player that will actually improve them and get playing time, especially with the assets that they have to trade.
Needs: I think the biggest need is an athletic forward that can run, rebound and defend to mostly play with Russ and Norm to help with defense, offensive rebounds, rim scoring, and fuel more breaks with defensive rebounds. Maybe be a backup starter if someone like PG13 gets injured. We need a guy to swoop in a put back Russ' missed threes, lol.
I don't know what the FO is looking for, but I have to guess playoff matchups are on the list. How to match up better against Jokic, Towns, Shai, AD, Ant/Conley, etc. If one of these guys is going off its good to have a bench stopper to come in and make him work.
Tradeable Assets: Bones PJ Coffey/Mann Youngsters like Brown, Moon, Moussa, Boston, Miller A first round pick
Bones is a good player that can't get PT on a team loaded with veteran guards. He's only serving as insurance if Westbrook or Norm has to take time off.
So not really enough to get a quality player unless some team is just looking to dump. The Clippers are probably the ones looking to dump PJ's $11M and the don't want him to pick up his option for next year, either. Clips might have to give up a pick just to move him, which doesn't help at all on the court this season.
There are plenty of guards being dangled at the trade deadline I don't see the Clippers spending to get even a good guard when they are already loaded and they aren't going to bring on another starter. Dejounte, Heild, Grimes, Bruce Brown, etc.
There is talk of forward guys like Kuzma, Royce Oneal, Jeramie Grant, Finney-Smith, Gordon Hayward, Herb Jones, Tobias Harris, Bogdanovic. I'm not convinced any of these guys fit the bill or the $ even if they can play well. Grant's a starter with a huge salary. Kuzma is a starter who doesn't rebound or defend well. Etc... Royce played 16 minutes against the Clips last night and went 0-5 from three with 1 rebound. Not an good audition there. Finney-Smith got zero points and 9 rebounds.
There's some chance to pick up a waived player. Although those players tend to be older veterans and not usually athletic forwards. But that's essentially free and we don't have to give up a pick.
Bottom line is that there doesn't look like many options and if they can't find a trade that makes the team better, not a big deal. The team is damn good. In that case I'd like to see them trade unused players and get a first round pick. I'm aware that this isn't a great draft but its good to keep some gas in the youth pipeline.
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Post by corkscrew on Jan 22, 2024 10:54:09 GMT -8
Its probably time to have a thread to have a discussion about this. The Clippers are a pretty complete team so it will be tricky to find another player that will actually improve them and get playing time, especially with the assets that they have to trade. Needs: I think the biggest need is an athletic forward that can run, rebound and defend to mostly play with Russ and Norm to help with defense, offensive rebounds, rim scoring, and fuel more breaks with defensive rebounds. Maybe be a backup starter if someone like PG13 gets injured. We need a guy to swoop in a put back Russ' missed threes, lol. I don't know what the FO is looking for, but I have to guess playoff matchups are on the list. How to match up better against Jokic, Towns, Shai, AD, Ant/Conley, etc. If one of these guys is going off its good to have a bench stopper to come in and make him work. Tradeable Assets: Bones PJ Coffey/Mann Youngsters like Brown, Moon, Moussa, Boston, Miller A first round pick Bones is a good player that can't get PT on a team loaded with veteran guards. He's only serving as insurance if Westbrook or Norm has to take time off. So not really enough to get a quality player unless some team is just looking to dump. The Clippers are probably the ones looking to dump PJ's $11M and the don't want him to pick up his option for next year, either. Clips might have to give up a pick just to move him, which doesn't help at all on the court this season. There are plenty of guards being dangled at the trade deadline I don't see the Clippers spending to get even a good guard when they are already loaded and they aren't going to bring on another starter. Dejounte, Heild, Grimes, Bruce Brown, etc. There is talk of forward guys like Kuzma, Royce Oneal, Jeramie Grant, Finney-Smith, Gordon Hayward, Herb Jones, Tobias Harris, Bogdanovic. I'm not convinced any of these guys fit the bill or the $ even if they can play well. Grant's a starter with a huge salary. Kuzma is a starter who doesn't rebound or defend well. Etc... Royce played 16 minutes against the Clips last night and went 0-5 from three with 1 rebound. Not an good audition there. Finney-Smith got zero points and 9 rebounds. There's some chance to pick up a waived player. Although those players tend to be older veterans and not usually athletic forwards. But that's essentially free and we don't have to give up a pick. Bottom line is that there doesn't look like many options and if they can't find a trade that makes the team better, not a big deal. The team is damn good. In that case I'd like to see them trade unused players and get a first round pick. I'm aware that this isn't a great draft but its good to keep some gas in the youth pipeline. ... As long as the shooting percentage is well above 50% and the 3s are falling abundantly. I am not comfortable counting heavily on that. I worry about the big and long teams like Minnesota and Denver. I would feel much better with a forward like you described, though that is not likely to materialize. So, in the immortal words of Donald Rumsfeld, " you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want."
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Post by mistwell on Jan 22, 2024 11:31:37 GMT -8
Kelly Olynyk's name keeps popping up. Not sure why.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 22, 2024 14:25:20 GMT -8
I don't see them trading the 2030 pick unless the player is a real game changer. They won't trade the pick just to dump Tucker. Worst case they'll waive and stretch Tucker.
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Post by basketcase on Jan 22, 2024 15:55:56 GMT -8
I haven't heard a trade idea yet that I would jump at, but a physical defender and rebounder would be ideal.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 22, 2024 16:50:06 GMT -8
It's a little tricky with Bones. I liked the improvements he made to his game so ideally I'd like to keep him, but it's a little tough for a guy in his 3rd year to be completely benched. His only path to playing time right now is if Harden or Russ go down. Beyond this year, if Russ comes back, which I'm not sure he will even though I think he's fully accepted his role for this season then there is a plan for Bones at least next season. But if Russ comes back then we'd have to offload him. Don't think we're forced to trade, but we do have Tucker's contract to trade for an upgrade. He probably wants a trade or a buy out, but I don't think we can do either unless it's helping us. We can't just attach an asset to offload him and I don't even like the buy out because we don't have other contracts that size that aren't guys we need.
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Post by gilp5 on Jan 22, 2024 17:58:50 GMT -8
It's a little tricky with Bones. I liked the improvements he made to his game so ideally I'd like to keep him, but it's a little tough for a guy in his 3rd year to be completely benched. His only path to playing time right now is if Harden or Russ go down. Beyond this year, if Russ comes back, which I'm not sure he will even though I think he's fully accepted his role for this season then there is a plan for Bones at least next season. But if Russ comes back then we'd have to offload him. Don't think we're forced to trade, but we do have Tucker's contract to trade for an upgrade. He probably wants a trade or a buy out, but I don't think we can do either unless it's helping us. We can't just attach an asset to offload him and I don't even like the buy out because we don't have other contracts that size that aren't guys we need. The team needs to focus on keeping Russ.
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Post by v-ice on Jan 22, 2024 18:36:59 GMT -8
Pass on Olynik. Bring DFS.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jan 22, 2024 19:06:17 GMT -8
It's a little tricky with Bones. I liked the improvements he made to his game so ideally I'd like to keep him, but it's a little tough for a guy in his 3rd year to be completely benched. His only path to playing time right now is if Harden or Russ go down. Beyond this year, if Russ comes back, which I'm not sure he will even though I think he's fully accepted his role for this season then there is a plan for Bones at least next season. But if Russ comes back then we'd have to offload him. Don't think we're forced to trade, but we do have Tucker's contract to trade for an upgrade. He probably wants a trade or a buy out, but I don't think we can do either unless it's helping us. We can't just attach an asset to offload him and I don't even like the buy out because we don't have other contracts that size that aren't guys we need. The team needs to focus on keeping Russ. Might not be up to them. If he wants more minutes/bigger contract there's a chance he walks. We don't know yet if another contender would offer him a starting spot. But yeah I'd be in favor of keeping him if possible.
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Post by clipps on Jan 23, 2024 1:17:06 GMT -8
We can definitely use another physical big to help throw on Jokic, Embiid, TWolves.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 5, 2024 17:41:38 GMT -8
Bleacher Reports list of possible trade targets for the Clippers by Thursdays deadline:
-PJ Washington -Santi Aldama -Maxi Kleber -Kelly Olynyk -Chris Boucher
PJ Washington is fine if we are dumping Tucker for him but he's not awesome or anything.
I like Santi Aldama. But he only makes about $2M, so that's not a Tucker trade. Could we get him for Bones or Boston and a 2nd round pick?
Not a big fan of Maxi Kleber.
I like Kelly Olynyk but he's not a PF. He's firmly a center, and we have 3 decent centers so not seeing the need for him.
Chris Boucher would be a good pickup for us for Tucker and something else (Bones, Boston, 2nd rd pick, etc.)
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Post by hitnrun24 on Feb 5, 2024 22:12:33 GMT -8
Bleacher Reports list of possible trade targets for the Clippers by Thursdays deadline: -PJ Washington -Santi Aldama -Maxi Kleber -Kelly Olynyk -Chris Boucher PJ Washington is fine if we are dumping Tucker for him but he's not awesome or anything. I like Santi Aldama. But he only makes about $2M, so that's not a Tucker trade. Could we get him for Bones or Boston and a 2nd round pick? Not a big fan of Maxi Kleber. I like Kelly Olynyk but he's not a PF. He's firmly a center, and we have 3 decent centers so not seeing the need for him. Chris Boucher would be a good pickup for us for Tucker and something else (Bones, Boston, 2nd rd pick, etc.) Aldama would be a decent pick up. If I'm objective the Bones/Boston types seem pretty low value to me. I mean there's potential, but they don't do anything all that special at this stage. And not that Aldama is amazing himself, but he's big and can shoot pretty well so that'd be a no brainer if we could get it. I disagree on Olynyk being a Center only. He's pretty mobile, like way more agile than Theis. There's become so many different prototypes for PF's these days though so they're not all the same. There's the Jerami Grant/Aaron Gordon/Siakim types that were SF's before, but have the height and athleticism to play PF. Then you have Sabonis/Olynyk/Randle who are PF/C tweeners and they play kind of like Blake did. Strong enough to guard inside and rebound well, but don't bring rim protection. They can also play outside and shoot. Draymond probably fits this model too. There's Zion who is somewhat like this, but doesn't even have any perimeter game but elite athleticism going to the basket. Then the undersized PF's like Finney Smith/Washington/DeRozan? who are pretty much just wings who can get away playing at PF since the league doesn't have that many bigger PF's to make them pay.
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Post by mistwell on Feb 6, 2024 6:30:06 GMT -8
While it's true Kelly Olynyk is capable of hitting a 3, I'd prefer someone who is better at it for PF. But sure, he can do it. I do like a lot of his game.
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Post by dane on Feb 6, 2024 7:33:06 GMT -8
While it's true Kelly Olynyk is capable of hitting a 3, I'd prefer someone who is better at it for PF. But sure, he can do it. I do like a lot of his game. All I can see of that oaf is pretending to clumsier than he in fact is and breaking Kevin Love's arm in the process.
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Post by nuraman00 on Feb 6, 2024 12:15:56 GMT -8
Bleacher Reports list of possible trade targets for the Clippers by Thursdays deadline: -PJ Washington -Santi Aldama -Maxi Kleber -Kelly Olynyk -Chris Boucher PJ Washington is fine if we are dumping Tucker for him but he's not awesome or anything. I like Santi Aldama. But he only makes about $2M, so that's not a Tucker trade. Could we get him for Bones or Boston and a 2nd round pick? Not a big fan of Maxi Kleber. I like Kelly Olynyk but he's not a PF. He's firmly a center, and we have 3 decent centers so not seeing the need for him. Chris Boucher would be a good pickup for us for Tucker and something else (Bones, Boston, 2nd rd pick, etc.) Aldama would be a decent pick up. If I'm objective the Bones/Boston types seem pretty low value to me. I mean there's potential, but they don't do anything all that special at this stage. And not that Aldama is amazing himself, but he's big and can shoot pretty well so that'd be a no brainer if we could get it. I disagree on Olynyk being a Center only. He's pretty mobile, like way more agile than Theis. There's become so many different prototypes for PF's these days though so they're not all the same. There's the Jerami Grant/Aaron Gordon/Siakim types that were SF's before, but have the height and athleticism to play PF. Then you have Sabonis/Olynyk/Randle who are PF/C tweeners and they play kind of like Blake did. Strong enough to guard inside and rebound well, but don't bring rim protection. They can also play outside and shoot. Draymond probably fits this model too. There's Zion who is somewhat like this, but doesn't even have any perimeter game but elite athleticism going to the basket. Then the undersized PF's like Finney Smith/Washington/DeRozan? who are pretty much just wings who can get away playing at PF since the league doesn't have that many bigger PF's to make them pay. Agree on Olynyk. He also is an irritant defensively. Might not have elite rebounding numbers, but they are still good. And qualitatively, he is a pest.
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