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Post by gilp5 on Jul 9, 2025 17:47:54 GMT -8
The issue is that for Beal to be stretched, he can't be like 15% of the total payroll. In order for that to occur, he has to give up something like $6m for each of two years of the buyout. So, first, that has to be figured out. Then, The Clips can offer him 5.3m The Lakers can offer him 5.1m Mil can only offer the Vet min which I think is 3.6m for him. But GS - if they are able to get rid of Kuminga and not take money in return, can offer him 14m. Yeah and I believe he's already agreed to give back the amount needed. So him waiting gives me the impression he's considering Golden State if they make these moves. I don't think he's interested in the Lakers and likely not interested in the Bucks either. Golden State could be a good fit for Beal though and if they do make that money happen I think he'd take it. I think the Clippers are doing everything they can to position themselves with the limited money they can offer. But with no moves are happening recently, which means there probably is a domino that needs to fall for that to happen. Im just not sure if it's Kuminga, Horford or Beal. He can finalize the buyout without having an agreement with the next team. They don't have to be at the same time. It seems to me that the buyout is getting finalized. |
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Post by jglanton on Jul 9, 2025 20:12:11 GMT -8
Prediction: The Suns and fans are going to regret paying Booker $72 million in 2029.
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jul 9, 2025 21:31:29 GMT -8
Yeah and I believe he's already agreed to give back the amount needed. So him waiting gives me the impression he's considering Golden State if they make these moves. I don't think he's interested in the Lakers and likely not interested in the Bucks either. Golden State could be a good fit for Beal though and if they do make that money happen I think he'd take it. I think the Clippers are doing everything they can to position themselves with the limited money they can offer. But with no moves are happening recently, which means there probably is a domino that needs to fall for that to happen. Im just not sure if it's Kuminga, Horford or Beal. He can finalize the buyout without having an agreement with the next team. They don't have to be at the same time. It seems to me that the buyout is getting finalized. True, I just had read that from a Suns reporter that they were waiting to finalize it until Beal decides on a team. I think the money was pretty straight forward. He had to give up a certain amount that would get them under the aprons by doing a waive and stretch so it's not one of those buy outs where they're trying to come to an agreement on how much he will be giving up. He won't make up the money with the Clippers in the 1st year, but he could on his next contract maybe. I'm just not sure if another team is going to offer him more than our 5.3m. |
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Post by mistwell on Jul 10, 2025 6:30:05 GMT -8
I'd prefer Beal, at that low price. But if we don't get him, it's not a disaster. We will have a scoring gap with the loss of Powell, Collins makes up some of that, and I think Collins will thrive under Harden. Plus we'd likely use a better defender than Powell in the lineup more often. Here are career comparisons of the two, but of course this is an incomplete analysis since this isn't a plugging of Collins in for Powell on a 1 for 1 basis, nor are career stats necessarily the most representative of today. Still I find it helpful to see the comparison, and I do think he will be even better under Harden.   |
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Post by tullabye on Jul 10, 2025 6:46:51 GMT -8
I think it’s tougher to fill a good 4 spot than it is to fill a good 2 spot.
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Post by gilp5 on Jul 10, 2025 8:52:54 GMT -8
Prediction: The Suns and fans are going to regret paying Booker $72 million in 2029. That contract is absurd. What a terrible front office in Phoenix. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jul 10, 2025 12:32:20 GMT -8
I think it’s tougher to fill a good 4 spot than it is to fill a good 2 spot. Much tougher imo. We've never had issues finding playable SG's. |
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Post by clipanswerman on Jul 10, 2025 15:46:17 GMT -8
If you were asked a week ago to name the top Power Forwards in the league - how many of you would have had John Collins in your top 10? Top 15?
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jul 10, 2025 21:21:52 GMT -8
If you were asked a week ago to name the top Power Forwards in the league - how many of you would have had John Collins in your top 10? Top 15? PF is such a loose definition these days of who qualifies (Are Chet and Jalen Williams both counted as PF? To some people they would), but he's probably top 15ish or so. And he was one of the very few in that tier and was also on a team not trying to win and also reasonably available. The problem if you don't have 1 is it gets shallow once you get into the 20s. |
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Post by mistwell on Jul 10, 2025 22:17:34 GMT -8
Collins' name was biggest in 2019-2023. I posted an article earlier than people were saying he was the best player to never been in an all-star game in the east, before he left the Hawks to join Jazz. If CAM missed it, I am not surprised since he seems to have stopped watching most basketball before those years. But since CAMs favorite advanced stat is PER, Collins had a 23.5 PER or 20.6 PER in 2020, which made him the third or fourth highest PF that year for Player Efficiency Rating, depending on which site you look at (no idea why there is a variation between sites on that stat). It went Giannis, Zion, and then some sites say DeRozan then Collins, and some say Collins then DeRozan. Either way, yes top 5 PF for PER the year the Clippers should have won it all but imploded in the Bubble. We've discussed Collins on this board before, he's been discussed on other Clippers forums many times before, on Clippers Reddit, Clippers Facebook, Clippers Twitter/X, for years now. Again, nobody should be shocked CAM missed all that. He's been phoning in his NBA fandom for around 6 years now. Which is OK of course. Nobody must be a hardcore NBA fan. But then, as knowledge fades as someone loses interest in a topic, so does the credibility of ones opinions on that topic.
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Post by tullabye on Jul 11, 2025 7:12:44 GMT -8
This seems to be dragging out while GS tries to find a way to dump Kuminga’s salary. One has to wonder if the league has something to do with this. Do they think they have to keep the junior varsity at bay?
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Post by clipfan88 on Jul 11, 2025 7:50:59 GMT -8
If you were asked a week ago to name the top Power Forwards in the league - how many of you would have had John Collins in your top 10? Top 15? Your question serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever. Does every player traded for have to be in the top 10 in the league? Of course not, it's the fit on the team. But he "could" be top 10 if he pans out right with our team. There is this ..... www.yahoo.com/sports/article/utah-jazz-reportedly-traded-john-192348074.html |
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Post by gilp5 on Jul 11, 2025 8:50:55 GMT -8
This seems to be dragging out while GS tries to find a way to dump Kuminga’s salary. One has to wonder if the league has something to do with this. Do they think they have to keep the junior varsity at bay? Did you read that anywhere? GSW seems to be going after Horford. |
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Post by tullabye on Jul 11, 2025 10:21:46 GMT -8
This seems to be dragging out while GS tries to find a way to dump Kuminga’s salary. One has to wonder if the league has something to do with this. Do they think they have to keep the junior varsity at bay? Did you read that anywhere? GSW seems to be going after Horford. I have seen that the Dubs were in play for Beal in multiple sources. I’ve also seen that apparently there’s a Horford handshake deal with them in place. They need to dump Kuminga and take no salary back in order to make either or both of those happen. Not sure what Horford would sign for but if it’s less than what Lopez got with us then GS could offer more if they can get Kuminga done. Just speculating with the league involvement. |
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Post by hitnrun24 on Jul 11, 2025 10:52:24 GMT -8
Did you read that anywhere? GSW seems to be going after Horford. I have seen that the Dubs were in play for Beal in multiple sources. I’ve also seen that apparently there’s a Horford handshake deal with them in place. They need to dump Kuminga and take no salary back in order to make either or both of those happen. Not sure what Horford would sign for but if it’s less than what Lopez got with us then GS could offer more if they can get Kuminga done. Just speculating with the league involvement. I'm not sure what's taking this long, but Zach Lowe yesterday said he expects Beal to sign with the Clippers next week. I had only heard a little bit about GS, but was kind of speculating on it being an option because Horford was supposed to sign last week but it could be more about the Kuminga situation. I'm just not sure what that all has to do with Beal though unless there was a small chance of him ending up there if they clear money to sign him. And maybe since our money is low, Beal is waiting on even a small chance of getting a bigger deal but again all speculation. |
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