When is an all star most valuable in a trade?

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Suppose you have an all star on a max contract who is good but not enough to get you a championship. When would you get the most return in a trade?

1. With one year left on his deal like Kawhi?

2. At the expiration of his current deal like CP?

3. Right after he signed a new contract like Blake?

[corkscrew]

1) Right after he signed a new contract, 2) but at the trade deadline to 3) a contending team whose chances would be enhanced and 4) who have valuable assets to give up.

3 out of 4 ain't bad... Or maybe Detroit fancied themselves as contenders, which would make it 4 out of 4?

[dyce]

First year into new contract right before the draft.

[clippers1121]

I guess you are talking about Jimmy Butler, Damian Lillard, DeMarcus Cousins (pre injury), Carmelo Anthony (on the Nuggets), Blake Griffin (last year), Paul George (last year). I would say it varies. Nuggets got a lot for Carmelo considering he was leaving anyway. Pacers did very well getting Oladipo and Sabonis for Paul George. But if it wasn't for the Pistons being stupid as hell we would have been stuck with Griffin's contract for its full duration. So counting on some team being the greater fool in signing All Stars who are not going to get you a championship can have very bad long term consequences for a team. In most cases it may very well be better to just let them go as free agents rather than risking getting stuck with a declining player who is overpriced. Which is exactly what we did with DeAndre Jordan. Championships will be built by getting the stars out of the draft like the Celtics did with Brown, Rozier, and Tatum and having them on cheap contracts. Overpaying all stars on the decline probably will not work. Rockets probably will regret signing CP3 to his new deal. Guys like Donovan Mitchell will be much more productive at a much lower price.

[dyce]

Players percieved value can vary from one year to the next. Just last summer the Bulls landed a nice haul for Butler. Now the Wolves are struggling to find a good return for him.

[clippers1121]

Problem is that the max salary is 33% of payroll. Sure that is well worth it for a Kevin Durant or Lebron James type of player. But paying that much to some of these other guys who are just merely all stars is too much money for one guy who isn't going to get you that championship. Like Butler wants a max extension. Is he worth it? Hell no. Does he feel he deserves it? Hell yes. Some of these second tier stars should not be getting more than 20% of a teams payroll. Not 33%. That is the problem with getting value for these guys. They are good players who will help your team but they cap you out so you can't get other good players to complement them. Net result is you end up with a middling playoff team with no chance to win a ring. That is why they have less trade value.

[trapp76]

Oct 17, 2018 6:01:33 GMT -8 dyce said:

First year into new contract right before the draft.

Agreed. Def more valuable with more years left on the contract.