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Post by gilp5 on Dec 8, 2018 17:30:39 GMT -8
If the Clippers sign two max or expensive players, they will need to let Boban and Gortat walk, right? Who will be the starting center?
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Post by tullabye on Dec 8, 2018 21:37:19 GMT -8
If the Clippers sign two max or expensive players, they will need to let Boban and Gortat walk, right? Who will be the starting center? Believe it or not Anthony Bennett has an opportunity to be the man. He’s been doing a job in the G league. |
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Post by windsoruk on Dec 9, 2018 7:54:10 GMT -8
If the Clippers sign two max or expensive players, they will need to let Boban and Gortat walk, right? Who will be the starting center? Believe it or not Anthony Bennett has an opportunity to be the man. He’s been doing a job in the G league. Is he big enough? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 9, 2018 15:49:22 GMT -8
No.
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Post by tullabye on Dec 9, 2018 19:31:22 GMT -8
You are right. He’s only 6’8”. I was thinking he was bigger. |
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Post by clippers1121 on Dec 10, 2018 8:48:06 GMT -8
I agree with getting rid of Boban and Gortat. 100% agree and said so earlier on this board. I think we try and get DeAndre Jordan back. He is doing an excellent job with the Mavs and is just the kind of center that we need. I think he can still play another five years. And he fits the modern NBA game because he can still run the floor.
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Post by mistwell on Dec 10, 2018 13:57:55 GMT -8
Oh HELLLLLLL No!
First, he is not doing "an excellent job" with the Mavs. They don't like him. Constant problems with him, both behind the scenes and even during games. He's playing fine as an individual if you are looking just at stats, but on the court he LOOKS like all he cares about are padding his stats. Complete with directly stealing rebounds from his own rookie teammate.
And he's WAY overpriced.
And he DIDN'T WANT TO BE HERE ANYMORE.
And he cannot stretch the floor, which is one main reason we let him walk.
WTF are you thinking even suggesting that?
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Post by clippers1121 on Dec 10, 2018 15:47:08 GMT -8
Dallas is winning. If a team is winning believe me they like him. And when he gets 20 rebounds a game and hits his free throws they like him a lot. He loves L.A. and is looking to join the Lakers next summer anyway. We could probably outbid the Lakers and get him back on our team. What I am thinking is that DJ would help us win more games since our current centers can't protect the rim. I like DJ and wish he would finish his career as a Clipper. He didn't want to be here because the Clippers spent a year trying to trade him for a first round draft pick and did not offer to extend his contract. That is fine but now that we have to live with Gortat and Boban they may be having second thoughts. And I saw the Dallas - Houston game at Dallas. The fans love DJ and so does Luka Doncic. One less rebound for him isn't going to kill anybody. Whole incident was overhyped due to the internet.
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Post by mistwell on Dec 10, 2018 16:35:47 GMT -8
Dallas is winning. If a team is winning believe me they like him. And when he gets 20 rebounds a game and hits his free throws they like him a lot. He loves L.A. and is looking to join the Lakers next summer anyway. We could probably outbid the Lakers and get him back on our team. What I am thinking is that DJ would help us win more games since our current centers can't protect the rim. I like DJ and wish he would finish his career as a Clipper. He didn't want to be here because the Clippers spent a year trying to trade him for a first round draft pick and did not offer to extend his contract. That is fine but now that we have to live with Gortat and Boban they may be having second thoughts. And I saw the Dallas - Houston game at Dallas. The fans love DJ and so does Luka Doncic. One less rebound for him isn't going to kill anybody. Whole incident was overhyped due to the internet. We have a more winning record than Dallas. By your logic, that means we like Gortat and Boban. They've SAID there are issues. It happened even during a game. He was outright accused of padding his rebounding stats...and here you are repeating his rebounding stats without dealing with the charge that was against him. We're a top 10 rebounding team, and Dallas isn't. He also is from Texas A&M. It's why he wanted to go to a Texas team to begin with, remember? It's why TWICE he tried to leave LA for a Texas team. It doesn't matter that the "fans" like DJ, the TEAM doesn't appear to like him, and that includes Doncic. But, if what you're saying is true and he's loved there...why are you also saying he wants to leave? And why did you JUST diss Ayton from the Suns for not being a stretch big, while you're advocating to pay max money to DJ who is also not a stretch big? DJ is a great rebounder but you know what? You're making no sense man. You're all over the place. This is a nonsense issue. There is zero chance we go after DJ, and thank goodness for that. I liked DJ while he was here, but he is not worth what his contract will pay him, and he's not what this team needs. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 10, 2018 18:00:48 GMT -8
Dallas is winning. If a team is winning believe me they like him. And when he gets 20 rebounds a game and hits his free throws they like him a lot. He loves L.A. and is looking to join the Lakers next summer anyway. We could probably outbid the Lakers and get him back on our team. What I am thinking is that DJ would help us win more games since our current centers can't protect the rim. I like DJ and wish he would finish his career as a Clipper. He didn't want to be here because the Clippers spent a year trying to trade him for a first round draft pick and did not offer to extend his contract. That is fine but now that we have to live with Gortat and Boban they may be having second thoughts. And I saw the Dallas - Houston game at Dallas. The fans love DJ and so does Luka Doncic. One less rebound for him isn't going to kill anybody. Whole incident was overhyped due to the internet. We have a more winning record than Dallas. By your logic, that means we like Gortat and Boban. They've SAID there are issues. It happened even during a game. He was outright accused of padding his rebounding stats...and here you are repeating his rebounding stats without dealing with the charge that was against him. We're a top 10 rebounding team, and Dallas isn't. He also is from Texas A&M. It's why he wanted to go to a Texas team to begin with, remember? It's why TWICE he tried to leave LA for a Texas team. It doesn't matter that the "fans" like DJ, the TEAM doesn't appear to like him, and that includes Doncic. But, if what you're saying is true and he's loved there...why are you also saying he wants to leave? And why did you JUST diss Ayton from the Suns for not being a stretch big, while you're advocating to pay max money to DJ who is also not a stretch big? DJ is a great rebounder but you know what? You're making no sense man. You're all over the place. This is a nonsense issue. There is zero chance we go after DJ, and thank goodness for that. I liked DJ while he was here, but he is not worth what his contract will pay him, and he's not what this team needs. said he liked Jordan over Ayton because Jordan runs the floor well. To him, Ayton does not. |
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Post by mistwell on Dec 11, 2018 10:23:51 GMT -8
We have a more winning record than Dallas. By your logic, that means we like Gortat and Boban. They've SAID there are issues. It happened even during a game. He was outright accused of padding his rebounding stats...and here you are repeating his rebounding stats without dealing with the charge that was against him. We're a top 10 rebounding team, and Dallas isn't. He also is from Texas A&M. It's why he wanted to go to a Texas team to begin with, remember? It's why TWICE he tried to leave LA for a Texas team. It doesn't matter that the "fans" like DJ, the TEAM doesn't appear to like him, and that includes Doncic. But, if what you're saying is true and he's loved there...why are you also saying he wants to leave? And why did you JUST diss Ayton from the Suns for not being a stretch big, while you're advocating to pay max money to DJ who is also not a stretch big? DJ is a great rebounder but you know what? You're making no sense man. You're all over the place. This is a nonsense issue. There is zero chance we go after DJ, and thank goodness for that. I liked DJ while he was here, but he is not worth what his contract will pay him, and he's not what this team needs. said he liked Jordan over Ayton because Jordan runs the floor well. To him, Ayton does not. Ayton is a rookie on a rookie contract. DJ is a vet going into his last big contract, which will be a max contract. This stuff isn't analyzed in isolation, you have to assess the impact that player's contract and age will have on the rest of the team and into the future. Right now you know how many teams would want DJ over Ayton, given age and contracts? Zero. |
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Post by gilp5 on Dec 11, 2018 10:25:00 GMT -8
Our rim protection and rebounding has been pretty bad this year. We could've used DJ.
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Post by mistwell on Dec 11, 2018 11:29:28 GMT -8
Our rim protection and rebounding has been pretty bad this year. We could've used DJ. Myth on rebounding. We're top ten in the league in rebounding. It doesn't "feel" that way because it's spread out across so many players. But, we're a very solid rebounding team. Last year with DJ we were #15 in the league. This year, without DJ, we're #10. I really think there is something to the claim that DJ pads his rebounding stats. He started it when Doc was talking him up for Defensive Player of the Year. He's getting a lot of rebounds that if he were not getting them one of his teammates would. He does this (so he claims) because he thinks he "owns" every rebound. That they're all his. It means however that he does fewer defensive moves like swatting a loose ball to a teammate. It also means he's sometimes competing against a teammate for a rebound when it's clear that teammate will get it (meaning he's not running back down court with that time). A final factor is teams are continuing to drift towards more long range shots. Which means missed shots often rebound outside the paint, where DJ is always positioned. Over time, his form of rebounding just isn't as valuable as it used to be. It's not that rim protection isn't needed - but rebounding near the rim is needed somewhat less than it used to be due to the long rebounding. It's why guards and small forwards are seeing their rebounding numbers increase throughout the league, and teams with players in those positions who don't rebound are suffering. Right now, the Clippers are finding 40% of their rebounds (which again is top 10 in the league) at over 6 feet away from the basket. And the shot distance for over 50% of their rebounds was over 13 feet away from the basket. Already more than a third of their rebounds are off missed three point shots, and that number seems to go up every year across the league. The league is changing, and DJ just isn't as valuable as his contract will be anymore. |
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Post by clippers1121 on Dec 11, 2018 15:24:12 GMT -8
DJ is not getting a max contract from anybody next year. Including us and the Mavs. I was thinking more like four years for 60 million or something. Not sure if that will be competitive or not at this point. But sure if he costs more than that you don't go for him. That was one problem we had in retaining him. He wanted too much money. He may still want too much. Not sure what the Lakers would offer him. But I think if they offered the mid-level exception or something that we could beat that offer and that he would sign with us.
I think last nights game illustrated why we could have used DJ. To keep from having to play Gallinari and Harrell at center the last 15 minutes of the game. Not sure why Harrell was benched. But we don't hold up well playing small ball to close games. And yes the league is changing and we don't beat the Golden States of the world with DJ on a big contract. I stated that many times that he was pretty worthless beating that team. But he would have improved this team against most opponents. I think our start has been a fluke and we will regress quickly to a sub .500 team. So the winning percentage and the stats don't mean that much. Injuries and a tough Western Conference is already starting to take its toll.
So agree that we only get DJ back on a cheap contract. And Dallas will pass us in the standings most likely. And yes the Mavs like DJ as would any team that had him because he is basically a nice guy who is very supportive of his teammates. That is really what it comes down to. Not whether he pads his stats or steals rebounds. But whether he is a good guy to go to practice with every day and pal around with. And DJ is that.
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Post by mistwell on Dec 11, 2018 15:47:28 GMT -8
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