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Post by clippers1121 on Mar 12, 2019 14:31:16 GMT -8
The Bledsoe trade was bad. Much more puke worthy was the trade to get rid of Dudley. Trading our 2017 first round pick and Dudley for Carlos Delfino and Milos Raduljica was a joke since the only reason we got them was to waive them and stretch pay their contracts. So yes, you could say Doc is bad at trading and bad at evaluating talent.
Dudley was the small forward we wanted and thought he had some upside to his game. He didn't. We got him and capspace by moving Butler. Terrible trade in retrospect although Bledsoe wasn't nearly worth the money the Suns had to pay to keep him and he was frequently injured and never got them to the playoffs.
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Post by trapp76 on Mar 13, 2019 11:06:18 GMT -8
The Bledsoe trade was bad. Much more puke worthy was the trade to get rid of Dudley. Trading our 2017 first round pick and Dudley for Carlos Delfino and Milos Raduljica was a joke since the only reason we got them was to waive them and stretch pay their contracts. So yes, you could say Doc is bad at trading and bad at evaluating talent. Dudley was the small forward we wanted and thought he had some upside to his game. He didn't. We got him and capspace by moving Butler. Terrible trade in retrospect although Bledsoe wasn't nearly worth the money the Suns had to pay to keep him and he was frequently injured and never got them to the playoffs. The Dudley trade was much worse than the Bledsoe trade. It was probably the worst trade of Doc's GM tenure. |
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Post by trapp76 on Mar 13, 2019 11:07:51 GMT -8
Wrong because a guy on a blog posted something? (and btw the headline specifically states it was a "good deal for the Clippers", something that you strongly disagree with). Wrong because he details why and how specifically we could have gotten more for Bledsoe. It's not really in question. We can see, in retrospect, what could have been done and was not done based on what happened during and after the trade. As he details: But that viewpoint breaks down when you realize that seven weeks later the Suns flipped Butler for two cheap contracts, Ish Smith and Viacheslav Kravtsov. The trade partner this time? Milwaukee, coincidentally enough. So at the end of the day when you combine the two deals, the Suns got Eric Bledsoe, Ish Smith and Viacheslav Kravtsov for Jared Dudley and a second round pick. Holy FSM! They added a potential all star in Bledsoe, and didn't even take on signficant additional salary to do so after flipping Butler. Bledsoe, Smith and Kravtsov combined make a little more than $5M while Dudley makes $4.25M. (Of course that salary equation is going to change after this summer when Bledsoe gets his payday, something we have to continually remind ourselves in evaluating the long term impact of this deal.) Nor was the structure of the deal an impediment to the Clippers doing better. The fact that Phoenix wound up dealing Butler to the Bucks illustrates very clearly that the Clippers could have gotten Redick (the real prize of the summer obviously) without parting with Bledsoe. They could have done Butler and a 2nd rounder for Redick and Smith and Kravtsov; they could have included a second pick, either of their own or one they bought off another team, and given Milwaukee the exact same return. (Obviously the Bucks thought that the Suns second rounder was going to be in the 30s despite the fact that now it looks like it will be in the 50s, so it probably would have needed to be a decent second rounder, but there are ways.) Looked at this way, the Clippers essentially got Dudley and a second round pick in exchange for Bledsoe -- and obviously that's not good value."but there are ways" LOL |
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Post by mistwell on Mar 13, 2019 12:38:49 GMT -8
Wrong because he details why and how specifically we could have gotten more for Bledsoe. It's not really in question. We can see, in retrospect, what could have been done and was not done based on what happened during and after the trade. As he details: But that viewpoint breaks down when you realize that seven weeks later the Suns flipped Butler for two cheap contracts, Ish Smith and Viacheslav Kravtsov. The trade partner this time? Milwaukee, coincidentally enough. So at the end of the day when you combine the two deals, the Suns got Eric Bledsoe, Ish Smith and Viacheslav Kravtsov for Jared Dudley and a second round pick. Holy FSM! They added a potential all star in Bledsoe, and didn't even take on signficant additional salary to do so after flipping Butler. Bledsoe, Smith and Kravtsov combined make a little more than $5M while Dudley makes $4.25M. (Of course that salary equation is going to change after this summer when Bledsoe gets his payday, something we have to continually remind ourselves in evaluating the long term impact of this deal.) Nor was the structure of the deal an impediment to the Clippers doing better. The fact that Phoenix wound up dealing Butler to the Bucks illustrates very clearly that the Clippers could have gotten Redick (the real prize of the summer obviously) without parting with Bledsoe. They could have done Butler and a 2nd rounder for Redick and Smith and Kravtsov; they could have included a second pick, either of their own or one they bought off another team, and given Milwaukee the exact same return. (Obviously the Bucks thought that the Suns second rounder was going to be in the 30s despite the fact that now it looks like it will be in the 50s, so it probably would have needed to be a decent second rounder, but there are ways.) Looked at this way, the Clippers essentially got Dudley and a second round pick in exchange for Bledsoe -- and obviously that's not good value."but there are ways" LOL Seriously you think there were not ways to get a decent second round pick in the 30s off of someone with an even vaguely decent GM? I think we've once again demonstrated you're wrong on this topic. And, once again, they you will never admit it. |
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Post by trapp76 on Mar 13, 2019 14:29:59 GMT -8
Seriously you think there were not ways to get a decent second round pick in the 30s off of someone with an even vaguely decent GM? I think we've once again demonstrated you're wrong on this topic. And, once again, they you will never admit it. It’s impossible to prove wrong or right on this, it’s all based on “there are ways” type speculation. You can scream as loud as you want, but it will never make that statement false. What I do know is JJ was a very good value for us, Bledsoe wasn’t a very good value in Phoenix and our haul for him was better than what the Suns got when they traded him a few years later. |
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