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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:38:42 GMT -8
I saw both Avengers: Endgame and the latest Game of Thrones over the weekend. Liked both but preferred GoT. Amazed at the production value on GoT. It seems like they hire thousands of extras for their battle episodes. I wonder how the series will end.
No spoilers but didn't discuss any plot details. I will leave that up to the other posters.
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Post by clippers1121 on Apr 29, 2019 11:15:05 GMT -8
Did not see the new Avengers yet. GoT I did see. Good to see the characters I have been following for the last seven years fight together and fight heroically at the end of the series. GoT is kind of frustrating in that the story arcs never brought these people together. They were all existing in their own story arcs. Like the Avengers it is good to see everybody together for one big fight against an undefeatable foe. I will miss this show when it is gone. But at least it is wrapping up in style and they have spared no expense in the battle scenes.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 12:41:55 GMT -8
I saw both Avengers: Endgame and the latest Game of Thrones over the weekend. Liked both but preferred GoT. Amazed at the production value on GoT. It seems like they hire thousands of extras for their battle episodes. I wonder how the series will end. No spoilers but didn't discuss any plot details. I will leave that up to the other posters. They hired 750 extras. Which is a metric crapload. It took 55 days to film. Mostly in the rain.
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 29, 2019 16:42:13 GMT -8
I saw both Avengers: Endgame and the latest Game of Thrones over the weekend. Liked both but preferred GoT. Amazed at the production value on GoT. It seems like they hire thousands of extras for their battle episodes. I wonder how the series will end. No spoilers but didn't discuss any plot details. I will leave that up to the other posters. I thought you didn't like those type of movies?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 18:23:42 GMT -8
I saw both Avengers: Endgame and the latest Game of Thrones over the weekend. Liked both but preferred GoT. Amazed at the production value on GoT. It seems like they hire thousands of extras for their battle episodes. I wonder how the series will end. No spoilers but didn't discuss any plot details. I will leave that up to the other posters. I thought you didn't like those type of movies? I am obligated, like everyone else, to see the MCU movies. They are cultural touchstones. Are they my favorite kind of movies? No. For superhero movies, I really liked the ending of the last Avengers. Eliminating half of all living creatures was a very dramatic outcome. I was curious to see how this was rectified in Endgame.
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Post by mistwell on Apr 29, 2019 18:29:45 GMT -8
Please nobody spoil this newest Avengers movie! I have not been able to go see it yet.
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Post by jglanton on May 1, 2019 8:16:27 GMT -8
I saw the Avengers yesterday. The young woman sitting next to my daughter was bawling, convulsing with emotion. Later we saw her staggering into a minivan with her head down. Because of a fantasy superhero movie with plastic characters engaged in painless combats. I can't decide whether to be happy for her that her life is a warm sheltered womb, or sad for our country. J/K about that last part. I spent last week with a bunch of determined women hiking all day and fording rivers and climbing cliffs and sleeping on the ground, many of whom overcame severe physical and emotional trauma in their lives. Nobody cried. We'll be fine, if somewhat retarded down the maturity path.
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Post by mistwell on May 1, 2019 8:43:49 GMT -8
You forgot to mention:
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:51:07 GMT -8
I saw the Avengers yesterday. The young woman sitting next to my daughter was bawling, convulsing with emotion. Later we saw her staggering into a minivan with her head down. Because of a fantasy superhero movie with plastic characters engaged in painless combats. I can't decide whether to be happy for her that her life is a warm sheltered womb, or sad for our country. J/K about that last part. I spent last week with a bunch of determined women hiking all day and fording rivers and climbing cliffs and sleeping on the ground, many of whom overcame severe physical and emotional trauma in their lives. Nobody cried. We'll be fine, if somewhat retarded down the maturity path. You didn't cry in 1977 when Darth Vader killed Obi-Wan Kenobi? (spoiler alert!)
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Post by mistwell on May 1, 2019 9:01:15 GMT -8
Movies are built to tap into normal human emotion. The drama, the lighting, the music, the slow build up, it's all built to tap into natural emotions. If you're not feeling ANY emotion from that, I'd suggest it's likely you that's a bit odd in the emotional department. I was not bawling. But I sure felt emotion during a couple of scenes of the movie. I felt a rush during a scene I knew it was coming. When a couple of heroes went down, I felt some sadness. It was not an emotionless experience. Because I have pretty natural emotions and I am not some grizzled World War 2 veteran
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Post by jglanton on May 1, 2019 9:38:40 GMT -8
If you're not feeling ANY emotion from that, I'd suggest it's likely you that's a bit odd in the emotional department. Awww, we can always count on some condescending shallow psychology from Mistwell. You complete me
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Post by jglanton on May 1, 2019 10:14:50 GMT -8
Anyway the movie was good and entertaining. For a superhero movie. It's not like I could get any of my adult women friends to go to this, they roll their eyes at the suggestion of superhero movies, but its a good destination for me and my daughter to go out. I liked the humor scenes and fat drunk Thor. I don't expect the characters to have depth, I just enjoy the best of their simple cue-card one-liners that blast us for 3 hours. I dislike the 20 minute fight scenes. Why do creatures with superpowers and energy weapons always have to break out into kung-fu fighting? Why was the black character used like an NFL running back to move the stones? It looked like an football game broke out there for a while.
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Post by corkscrew on May 1, 2019 14:19:18 GMT -8
... or sad for our country...
... I spent last week with a bunch of determined women hiking all day and fording rivers and climbing cliffs and sleeping on the ground, many of whom overcame severe physical and emotional trauma in their lives. Nobody cried... They are a fraction of a minority. Be sad for our country. I’ve not seen the movie yet, I plan to see it because it is an important part of our culture and I need to know what it’s all about; you can get a good reading on the pulse of a culture by looking at popular entertainment, what people spend money on to divert their attention from their everyday life — music, movies, sports, TV, etc. And when you sample the progress of popular entertainment every 20-25 years, roughly every generation, there is much to be sad about. And the popularity of comic book movies is emblematic of the arrested development aspect of the culture. Martin Goodman created Marvel Comics in 1961, he died 30 years later, having missed out on the explosion of his children’s entertainment enterprise into the adult psyche of America. Instead, during his lifetime, movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Midnight Cowboy and The Last Emperor were winning academy awards. Today, these movies would not even be pitched at the studios, let alone get financing. BTW, I finally started watching Game of Thrones, beginning with Season 1. I am half way through Season 3 and I am bored out of my wits. To me, the phenomenon is clear, it’s children’s level of story telling that anyone can understand, at any age and any level of cognitive awareness, but with the added pizzaz of violence, nudity, and pornography. (I must admit, I find the nudity compelling.) On the other hand, subscription TV has come to the rescue to a considerable extent. The Sopranos, The Wire, House of Cards, Succession, Veep, these are all great shows, well produced, well written, well directed, well acted, and thought provoking while being immensely entertaining. Still, be sad for our country.
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Post by clippers1121 on May 1, 2019 15:04:28 GMT -8
Student debt, income inequality, poor leadership in Washington, gun ownership out of control, increasing homelessness and poverty, are all much bigger problems than what movies are being produced in Hollywood. We make movies to sell to China, Japan, and South Korea now. They are not even made for United States audiences in large part. It is a business. It doesn't reflect our culture. Escapist entertainment has been around since the Iliad and the Odyssey. That was written by Homer in 750 BC. What is the difference between Achilles and Captain America. Or Hector and Iron Man. Superman started in 1927. Batman shortly after. So comic book characters dominate movies now because people want to see heroes doing heroic things. It has always been that way(Star Trek just turned 50). TV has taken over drama with better shows than have ever been made in television history. Like Billions, Succession, GoT, etc... The product is there if people want it. Plus we had some excellent movies made last year like Roma, Green Book, that certainly were not hero based escapism.
So I would suggest that there is nothing wrong with our culture right now. In fact the television programs available now are of much higher quality than shows of the past on network TV have been.
So you guys don't like pandering to the Chinese market with our expensive super hero movies. Well guess what. Business is business and money is money. And that is a good way to get some of it from them. As a side benefit audiences in the U.S. enjoy these types of movies too. And I am one of them. But I do wish we got the Lawrence of Arabia, Godfather 1 and 2, and more of these types of movies instead. It is not good seeing sequel after sequel of the same rehashed plot and characters just so our studios can make money.
Don't cry for our culture. It isn't that bad. Cry for our dying planet. Global warming is killing us. And our president just ordered oil prices lowered so we can all consume even more fossil fuels. That is what I cry about.
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Post by corkscrew on May 1, 2019 16:55:29 GMT -8
>> Student debt, income inequality, poor leadership in Washington, gun ownership out of control, >> increasing homelessness and poverty, are all much bigger problems than what movies are being >> produced in Hollywood
Forgive me, I thought this thread was about movies and TV, I didn’t realize it was a hierarchical list of problems in the world.
>> Escapist entertainment has been around since the Iliad and the Odyssey
You are conflating mythology and escapism. They are not mutually exclusive but they are different. But you are correct, escapism has always been around. What part of my post suggested otherwise to you?
>> What is the difference between Achilles and Captain America.
If you don’t know the difference, then you are my case in point
>> Business is business and money is money.
Hey, don’t get me wrong, I like money. I love money! I adore money! I just think there are other things in life that are more important.
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