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Post by jglanton on Sept 24, 2018 8:47:41 GMT -8
David Aldridge says what most reasonable people are saying: "Right now, there’s no reason for any of the places Butler reportedly wants to go to give up picks or young players as part of a package for him. (Sources indicated over the weekend that the Knicks, supposedly one of those teams, haven’t made any inquiries about the 29 year old.) The Nets and Clippers, the two other teams reportedly on his short list, will have room for at least one -- and, most likely, two -- max free agents in the Summer of 2019. Each can just wait for Butler to opt out of his final year and become an unrestricted free agent, at which they can offer him a four-year max deal." www.nba.com/article/2018/09/24/morning-tip-jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-future"• L.A. Clippers. If Butler truly does want to go there, Tobias Harris would surely be central to any package returning to Minnesota -- and with Harris unrestricted after this season and almost certain to test the market, the Wolves would certainly be within their rights to ask for one of L.A.’s young crop of talented players from the 2018 Draft -- Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, or Jerome Robinson -- in return as well. If the Clips really are big game hunting for another big-time free agent next summer, adding one of them would simply be future investment in that plan; having Butler in tow will make getting the next star that much easier." |
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Post by clipfan88 on Sept 24, 2018 12:02:33 GMT -8
How do the Clips feel long term about Harris? What about Harris long term about the Clips? If he is not in our plans beyond this season, then yes, put him in a package for Butler because Butler does want to sign long term. But if we truly feel we can keep Harris in tow as well, then I say do not trade him. Gallenari is always my first choice to get rid of anyone right now.
in 2019, would it even be possible to have 2 other max players and resign Harris too? (i.e. Butler, Harris and ________ [i.e. Leonard]
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Post by mistwell on Sept 24, 2018 12:08:27 GMT -8
I think the key is bird rights. Being able to go over the cap to re-sign Harris is highly valuable.
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Post by jglanton on Sept 24, 2018 12:40:16 GMT -8
I feel like Butler is a big upgrade over Harris so I wouldn't hesitate. They're different positions, and we'd have to get a forward to replace Tobias, so... Kawhi ;-)
Neither Tobias or Gallo rebound much for forwards, while Butler rebounds as much as either of them from the SG position. And Jimmy has a higher TS% than either of these forwards. Then we get some real defense, too. He's at a whole nuther level above the avg SG position than they are at the avg forward positions. I'd rather trade Gallo than Tobias but that probably isn't happening.
If we had to do a package of Tobias + Jerome Robinson, no picks, I would say pull that trigger. We'll move right up from a 36 win team to a .500+ team without anything else special happening. Then an incoming FA allstar can see this team as a 55 win team next year and we jump over the Wolves, Pels, Spurs, Jazz teams in the WC pecking order.
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Post by clipfan88 on Sept 24, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -8
I think Harris is going to have a breakout year (contract year of course). His rebounding imo has been held back by the presence of Drummond and Jordan and should improve dramatically this year with our current makeup. Is Butler better ... yes, but I'd rather have BOTH of them.  PLUS ... what will happen to the Bobi and Tobi show? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Sept 24, 2018 16:00:46 GMT -8
I think Harris is going to have a breakout year (contract year of course). His rebounding imo has been held back by the presence of Drummond and Jordan and should improve dramatically this year with our current makeup. Is Butler better ... yes, but I'd rather have BOTH of them. PLUS ... what will happen to the Bobi and Tobi show? They'll probably still do it, even if they're on different teams. It will be a lot less frequent, though. |
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Post by jglanton on Sept 26, 2018 6:47:26 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Jimmy has the Nets on his short list of destinations to spend the next five years if his life at? The Nets???
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Post by nuraman00 on Sept 26, 2018 7:23:27 GMT -8
Am I the only one who thinks its weird that Jimmy has the Nets on his short list of destinations to spend the next five years if his life at? The Nets???
Normally I'd think it was weird, but maybe he likes living there.
Joe Johnson chose the Hawks over the Suns in 2005, because he was pissed at how Saver negotiated. Sarver had done the "show me an offer and we'll match it", rather than actually wooing him.
There's probably something about the city, or how he can be the lead guy, etc. that appeals to him.
Sometimes I stop trying to ask for "why", because I'm just not going to agree with it.
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Post by trapp76 on Sept 26, 2018 13:52:52 GMT -8
Miami has been "the most engaged team" with Minnesota on a Jimmy Butler trade, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.com.
This makes sense after an earlier report came out today saying that Miami was Jimmy's preferred destination. Woj adds in this new report that there is "no traction" with the Clippers and Nets while Houston "tried to be creative in its pursuit." The Wolves want to get a deal done, so it could happen this week.
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Post by nuraman00 on Sept 26, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -8
There was once a Minnesota-Miami game where Minnesota turned an 18 point lead into a 27 point defeat. That's got to me one of the biggest turnarounds, when considering how much Minnesota was up by, that I've seen. Utah turning a 25 point lead into an 8 point loss against OKC, for a 33 point turnaround, is another one. I guess the 18 point lead was only at 11:47 left in the 2nd quarter. That's really early. But still, a 27 point loss. www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200303280MIA.html |
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Post by tullabye on Sept 26, 2018 14:58:12 GMT -8
I feel like Butler is a big upgrade over Harris so I wouldn't hesitate. They're different positions, and we'd have to get a forward to replace Tobias, so... Kawhi ;-) Neither Tobias or Gallo rebound much for forwards, while Butler rebounds as much as either of them from the SG position. And Jimmy has a higher TS% than either of these forwards. Then we get some real defense, too. He's at a whole nuther level above the avg SG position than they are at the avg forward positions. I'd rather trade Gallo than Tobias but that probably isn't happening. If we had to do a package of Tobias + Jerome Robinson, no picks, I would say pull that trigger. We'll move right up from a 36 win team to a .500+ team without anything else special happening. Then an incoming FA allstar can see this team as a 55 win team next year and we jump over the Wolves, Pels, Spurs, Jazz teams in the WC pecking order. In the small sample size of Gallo that we were able to see, I was surprised at how good of a rebounder Gallo appeared to be. I think 8 boards a game is what we will get out of him. He knows how to box out, then secure and protect the ball. If Harris is included we’d have to play Jimmy at the three. West thinks we are a fifty win team as constructed. Over 36 is a gimme. |
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Post by dyce on Sept 30, 2018 3:03:00 GMT -8
The only way I see Harris on the team next year is if we strike out on some of the top options. So I'd be good with moving him right now for Butler. I don't see Minny getting another player of his level for Butler.
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Post by mistwell on Sept 30, 2018 6:21:42 GMT -8
We have his bird rights. Why couldn't we sign him along with some other top options?
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Post by nuraman00 on Sept 30, 2018 9:03:51 GMT -8
The only way I see Harris on the team next year is if we strike out on some of the top options. So I'd be good with moving him right now for Butler. I don't see Minny getting another player of his level for Butler.
I don't know if Portland is interested, but CJ McCollum?
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Post by dyce on Sept 30, 2018 20:33:37 GMT -8
We have his bird rights. Why couldn't we sign him along with some other top options? We have to renounce all our free agents to sign two max contracts. |
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