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Post by clipfan88 on Jun 27, 2023 7:25:50 GMT -8
and how do you know who exactly we have been talking to? How do you know exactly what is and what is not working? Do you personally know what the Clippers end game is for going into next season? There has been very little movement in general so far ... even during the draft. As always, you approach anything PG related from the negative aspect of things. Btw, I am not for Scoot/Simons trade in and of itself. While Scoot has potential to be very good, Simons does absolutely nothing for me. Lets just wait a couple more weeks and see how things shake out before you start RE-bashing on PG and anything PG related. Bottom line, NO ONE has any real idea about what exactly the Clips are trying to do .... willing to do ... and/or feel they must do. - moving into a new arena, they will not want a "re-building" team that might be losing for a couple of years. They will want to sell tickets from the get go.
- do they feel that with health LUCK, they can basically run it back and change up things around the edges? Kind of a risk with this, especially considering the general negative taste in our mouth Clipper fans had after this horrible last season ... not only the injuries, but the poor management, poor coaching, giving away games during the season, lack of effort and lack of desire to win each and every game, etc etc.
- do they feel that it is a better long term play to move PG now, not only for chemistry, but long term "cap" issues and flexibility. I can't see them resigning him for a long term MAX contract with all of the injuries (maybe same for KL too idk)
- they need to address the point guard and back up center positions too. We can't go into next season with a Moses Brown as our backup C and a washed up John Wall as our PG.
Anyway, I know its hard. We are all anxious and put our own GM hat on .... me too, but just CHILL and lets see what shakes out.
I'll respond to your post but this is the last time I'm going to respond to this type of ridiculous post. First, Yes, correct, I do not work in the front office. I do not 'know' what's going to happen. That applies to virtually every post on this board, including yours in several places, so there's no need to say it to me. It goes without saying. Second, I've been watching basketball and reading basketball websites and rumors for years. And I think I make pretty good deductions. If you don't like my deductions, which I share on this board, that's fine. But keep it to yourself and don't insult me if you're not interested in discussing the point I made. Third, we've all been 'chilling' with Paul George for four seasons. Even the front office finally realizes it's time to dump him. Do I 'know' that because I don't work in the front office? No. But I'm pretty certain in reading between the tea leaves. If that somehow bothers you, that's your problem. Fourth, by and large, I do trust our front office, although I think they've made some real misses. Thank god! Bye Bye. Do you even read your posts? You insult most people you respond to. Calling MY post "ridiculous"? hmmmmm ..... basic facts and reality man. And NO, we have not been "chilling" for 4 years. READ the post. I'm talking about what is going on behind the scenes with EVERY team right now. There has been very little movement anywhere and we just have to wait it out right now. I'm not "chilling" on PG himself. Just goes to show that you can't get out of your own way when you post. Its all about you without regard to what anyone else has to say. Again, NO, you do NOT know what is and what is not working behind the scenes in the front office right now ... and I don't give a hoot how much basketball you have watched in your life. Criticizing the team for moves that they have not even made yet this offseason ... for moves that your have NO idea whether they hope to make or even can make is jumping the gun. We know what YOU want. Its a matter of whether it can reasonably be done, or even if its in their plans. CHILL! |
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 27, 2023 7:33:33 GMT -8
If you don't like my deductions, which I share on this board, that's fine. But keep it to yourself and don't insult me if you're not interested in discussing the point I made.
You're not interested in a PG for Scoot and Simons? I'd take that in a second. If you think we'll do better than that, uh, ok. Time will tell. And when I point out that we didn't, I'm sure you'll go apeshit.
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Post by clipfan88 on Jun 27, 2023 9:04:20 GMT -8
If you don't like my deductions, which I share on this board, that's fine. But keep it to yourself and don't insult me if you're not interested in discussing the point I made. You're not interested in a PG for Scoot and Simons? I'd take that in a second. If you think we'll do better than that, uh, ok. Time will tell. And when I point out that we didn't, I'm sure you'll go apeshit. you still missed the point of my original response to you in this thread. Oh well I can't make someone actually read. A donkey when born is not a horse. As ass will always be an ass. |
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Post by mistwell on Jun 27, 2023 10:30:47 GMT -8
Just put him on ignore. Trust me, it makes this place more pleasant.
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 27, 2023 12:01:44 GMT -8
If you don't like my deductions, which I share on this board, that's fine. But keep it to yourself and don't insult me if you're not interested in discussing the point I made. You're not interested in a PG for Scoot and Simons? I'd take that in a second. If you think we'll do better than that, uh, ok. Time will tell. And when I point out that we didn't, I'm sure you'll go apeshit. you still missed the point of my original response to you in this thread. Oh well I can't make someone actually read. A donkey when born is not a horse. As ass will always be an ass. Here's a simple challenge for you. Have someone you know - anyone - read this thread. Don't tell them which person is you; don't bias them in any way. Just have them read the thread. Then ask them 'who's the biggest jerk in this thread?' Then let us know what that person said here in this thread. You won't be able to do it. |
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Post by v-ice on Jun 27, 2023 12:26:23 GMT -8
It could get ugly if both Kawhi and George ask for contract extensions, this summer…. Plus uncertainty w Lue beyond next season as well.
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Post by gilp5 on Jun 27, 2023 12:41:18 GMT -8
It could get ugly if both Kawhi and George ask for contract extensions, this summer…. Plus uncertainty w Lue beyond next season as well. I don't think any team would offer Paul George 50m a year. He's probably worth half of that. So he has no real leverage in demanding a max extension. |
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Post by mistwell on Jun 27, 2023 13:01:40 GMT -8
It could get ugly if both Kawhi and George ask for contract extensions, this summer…. Plus uncertainty w Lue beyond next season as well. I don't think any team would offer Paul George 50m a year. He's probably worth half of that. So he has no real leverage in demanding a max extension. There are 30 teams. Each can afford roughly two max contracts (some get three, some get one, average is about two). Rookies are barred from a max contract by the rules. So 60 non-rookie players, roughly, get max contracts. Do you think Paul George (All-Star last year) is considered a top 60 non-rookie player in the league? If yes, then he will get max money somewhere. I personally think he's about a top 20 player and of course he'd get max money. But even if you don't personally rank him that high, it's silly to think PG won't get a max contract. Of course he will. The marketplace dictates that he will. |
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Post by clipfan88 on Jun 27, 2023 13:09:57 GMT -8
I think what we're seeing is that Paul George's value is a lot less than we thought. The prospect of Paul George for the #3 pick and Anfernee Simons was viewed as 'ok' to 'I'd take that' on this board. We're not getting the $3 pick and filler for Paul George, no less #3 and Simons. If it were me, I'd let it be known that Paul George is being traded by end of business Friday - so get your bids in - that might drive up the price a bit. But what we're doing now isn't working. and how do you know who exactly we have been talking to? How do you know exactly what is and what is not working? Do you personally know what the Clippers end game is for going into next season? There has been very little movement in general so far ... even during the draft. As always, you approach anything PG related from the negative aspect of things. Btw, I am not for Scoot/Simons trade in and of itself. While Scoot has potential to be very good, Simons does absolutely nothing for me. Lets just wait a couple more weeks and see how things shake out before you start RE-bashing on PG and anything PG related. Bottom line, NO ONE has any real idea about what exactly the Clips are trying to do .... willing to do ... and/or feel they must do. - moving into a new arena, they will not want a "re-building" team that might be losing for a couple of years. They will want to sell tickets from the get go.
- do they feel that with health LUCK, they can basically run it back and change up things around the edges? Kind of a risk with this, especially considering the general negative taste in our mouth Clipper fans had after this horrible last season ... not only the injuries, but the poor management, poor coaching, giving away games during the season, lack of effort and lack of desire to win each and every game, etc etc.
- do they feel that it is a better long term play to move PG now, not only for chemistry, but long term "cap" issues and flexibility. I can't see them resigning him for a long term MAX contract with all of the injuries (maybe same for KL too idk)
- they need to address the point guard and back up center positions too. We can't go into next season with a Moses Brown as our backup C and a washed up John Wall as our PG.
Anyway, I know its hard. We are all anxious and put our own GM hat on .... me too, but just CHILL and lets see what shakes out.
This was your original post in this thread and my original response. What you were saying was pure speculation about what is going on in front offices across the league. YOU HAVE NO INSIDE KNOWLEDGE of the status of talks, what talks have been made, who actually is available out there, what the Clippers feel is their long term game plan, how they are going to deal with the new cap rules etc etc etc. You end by saying "But what we're doing now isn't working." SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?  ? What exactly isn't working if in fact, virtually EVERY team is still trying to figure out their next move right now. MY response merely stated that you don't know anything ... none of us really do ... and to just chill for a bit and see how things play out over the next couple of weeks. THEN we all can bash or applaud the moves that were made (or not made). But you can't read ... or choose to only pick and choose certain words out of a post to respond to in order to serve your own purpose. And I thought you weren't going to respond to my posts anymore??? sigh |
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Post by mistwell on Jun 27, 2023 15:40:00 GMT -8
Dude: he's an asshole.
He primary picks one person to be an asshole to. He picked Trapp until Trapp left. He picked me until I stuck him on ignore. He's exploring if you're his next guy to bully.
Don't let him. Stick him on ignore. It's the thing he despises the most - nobody hearing what he thinks.
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Post by gilp5 on Jun 27, 2023 16:52:45 GMT -8
Dude: he's an asshole. He primary picks one person to be an asshole to. He picked Trapp until Trapp left. He picked me until I stuck him on ignore. He's exploring if you're his next guy to bully. Don't let him. Stick him on ignore. It's the thing he despises the most - nobody hearing what he thinks. In this specific case CAM made a comment about what he thinks the front office is doing. Clipfan88 called him out by saying that CAM does not know what the FO is doing behind the scenes. CAM then reacted. It's not like Clipfan88 made a comment and then CAM called him out and criticized his comment. So you can't really put the blame on CAM for this particular case. It's obvious CAM doesn't know what is going on in the FO, nobody does, but many of us (and many in the media) speculate. That's what a forum is for. It's not really valid criticism to point out the obvious that CAM (or anyone) knows the inner workings of what is going on behind the scenes. Valid criticism would be to go after the substance of CAM's post. |
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Post by samiam19 on Jun 27, 2023 18:02:33 GMT -8
All I know for sure is that Paul George is going to play all 82 games next season
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Post by gilp5 on Jun 27, 2023 20:08:08 GMT -8
I don't think any team would offer Paul George 50m a year. He's probably worth half of that. So he has no real leverage in demanding a max extension. There are 30 teams. Each can afford roughly two max contracts (some get three, some get one, average is about two). Rookies are barred from a max contract by the rules. So 60 non-rookie players, roughly, get max contracts. Do you think Paul George (All-Star last year) is considered a top 60 non-rookie player in the league? If yes, then he will get max money somewhere. I personally think he's about a top 20 player and of course he'd get max money. But even if you don't personally rank him that high, it's silly to think PG won't get a max contract. Of course he will. The marketplace dictates that he will. I'm not sure what you mean by "max" because max amounts are obviously very different depending on time in the league. But as far as actual numbers I disagree that PG will get a 50m/year contract unless it is maybe for 1 or 2 years. Even then I doubt it. I think he will get something much less than that on the open market. I don't think he's valued by any team at a 50m/4 year player, which would be a "max" extension. Zero of the 30 teams would give him a 200m contract at this point. |
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Post by mistwell on Jun 27, 2023 21:18:46 GMT -8
There are 30 teams. Each can afford roughly two max contracts (some get three, some get one, average is about two). Rookies are barred from a max contract by the rules. So 60 non-rookie players, roughly, get max contracts. Do you think Paul George (All-Star last year) is considered a top 60 non-rookie player in the league? If yes, then he will get max money somewhere. I personally think he's about a top 20 player and of course he'd get max money. But even if you don't personally rank him that high, it's silly to think PG won't get a max contract. Of course he will. The marketplace dictates that he will. I'm not sure what you mean by "max" because max amounts are obviously very different depending on time in the league. But as far as actual numbers I disagree that PG will get a 50m/year contract unless it is maybe for 1 or 2 years. Even then I doubt it. I think he will get something much less than that on the open market. I don't think he's valued by any team at a 50m/4 year player, which would be a "max" extension. Zero of the 30 teams would give him a 200m contract at this point. I don't recall how it works for him, but sure if ONLY the Clippers could give him that and other teams literally cannot give him that then sure, of course nobody else would give him that. But I am pretty sure it's lower than what you're saying. Kawhi is our "top" player so he's the one we'd designate for supermax if anyone is eligible, not George. George also doesn't qualify under the All-NBA exception, MVP, DPOY, etc. exceptions. Nor does he qualify for the "Designated Rookie Scale Player Extension". So as far as I know, he's just a "normal" max contract. Which isn't $50M a year. For the Clippers I think it would be $46.5M. For a team other than the Clippers I think it is $45.5M. So in no scenario can he get to $50M as far as I know. Do I think a team would given him $45.5M? Yes, I do. There are just too many teams which have a hard time attracting top players who wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sign PG13 to $45.5M. |
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Post by gilp5 on Jun 27, 2023 23:33:03 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you mean by "max" because max amounts are obviously very different depending on time in the league. But as far as actual numbers I disagree that PG will get a 50m/year contract unless it is maybe for 1 or 2 years. Even then I doubt it. I think he will get something much less than that on the open market. I don't think he's valued by any team at a 50m/4 year player, which would be a "max" extension. Zero of the 30 teams would give him a 200m contract at this point. I don't recall how it works for him, but sure if ONLY the Clippers could give him that and other teams literally cannot give him that then sure, of course nobody else would give him that. But I am pretty sure it's lower than what you're saying. Kawhi is our "top" player so he's the one we'd designate for supermax if anyone is eligible, not George. George also doesn't qualify under the All-NBA exception, MVP, DPOY, etc. exceptions. Nor does he qualify for the "Designated Rookie Scale Player Extension". So as far as I know, he's just a "normal" max contract. Which isn't $50M a year. For the Clippers I think it would be $46.5M. For a team other than the Clippers I think it is $45.5M. So in no scenario can he get to $50M as far as I know. Do I think a team would given him $45.5M? Yes, I do. There are just too many teams which have a hard time attracting top players who wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sign PG13 to $45.5M. I don't think any team would give him 45.5M either on a muti year deal. I think his market value is probably 25-30m. Something like Draymond's last contract. No team will view him as a their #1 option and I don't think he would even be a #2 option on many teams. His value has dropped a lot and he's clearly past his prime. |
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