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Post by mistwell on Jun 28, 2023 6:47:26 GMT -8
I don't recall how it works for him, but sure if ONLY the Clippers could give him that and other teams literally cannot give him that then sure, of course nobody else would give him that. But I am pretty sure it's lower than what you're saying. Kawhi is our "top" player so he's the one we'd designate for supermax if anyone is eligible, not George. George also doesn't qualify under the All-NBA exception, MVP, DPOY, etc. exceptions. Nor does he qualify for the "Designated Rookie Scale Player Extension". So as far as I know, he's just a "normal" max contract. Which isn't $50M a year. For the Clippers I think it would be $46.5M. For a team other than the Clippers I think it is $45.5M. So in no scenario can he get to $50M as far as I know. Do I think a team would given him $45.5M? Yes, I do. There are just too many teams which have a hard time attracting top players who wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sign PG13 to $45.5M. I don't think any team would give him 45.5M either on a muti year deal. I think his market value is probably 25-30m. Something like Draymond's last contract. No team will view him as a their #1 option and I don't think he would even be a #2 option on many teams. His value has dropped a lot and he's clearly past his prime. I disagree. He was an all-star last season my man. And his stats are all good for last season. We're all jaded because of what happened last season but I don't think most of the league views him with the cynical view so many of us do. He is still in his prime. I mean let's look at those stats: His true shooting percentage is still above his career average for that and nearly 60%. His usage is also still above his career average, as are his assist percentages and his player efficiency rating. All the things when tend to decline when a player is in their career decline simply have not declined yet. And we think he didn't play much last season but he played 56 games - which isn't enough but it's plenty for most teams and the most games he's played since he arrived at the Clippers. If you look at how the media ranks him, they mostly right now rank him as a top 25 player. So yeah, I think there will be teams willing to pay him the max.
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Post by clipfan88 on Jun 28, 2023 7:41:04 GMT -8
Dude: he's an asshole. He primary picks one person to be an asshole to. He picked Trapp until Trapp left. He picked me until I stuck him on ignore. He's exploring if you're his next guy to bully. Don't let him. Stick him on ignore. It's the thing he despises the most - nobody hearing what he thinks. In this specific case CAM made a comment about what he thinks the front office is doing. Clipfan88 called him out by saying that CAM does not know what the FO is doing behind the scenes. CAM then reacted. It's not like Clipfan88 made a comment and then CAM called him out and criticized his comment. So you can't really put the blame on CAM for this particular case. It's obvious CAM doesn't know what is going on in the FO, nobody does, but many of us (and many in the media) speculate. That's what a forum is for. It's not really valid criticism to point out the obvious that CAM (or anyone) knows the inner workings of what is going on behind the scenes. Valid criticism would be to go after the substance of CAM's post. ahhh, but he said "What we are doing now isn't working" Thats my whole point. How can you say something is not working when they are in the midst of actually working on it? He's jumping the gun and just complaining to complain that something hasn't transpired by now .... something that most of the other front offices are also doing .... working on it RIGHT NOW. You can't say something is not working if you have absolutely no idea of what they are actually working on and what their realistic options are with all of the other teams and what they are willing to do. His post comes from his deep hatred of PG and that he has wanted him gone for quite awhile now. Things are in process and in due time we will know more about the makeup of next years team .... with or without PG.
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 28, 2023 7:54:42 GMT -8
and how do you know who exactly we have been talking to? How do you know exactly what is and what is not working? Do you personally know what the Clippers end game is for going into next season? There has been very little movement in general so far ... even during the draft. As always, you approach anything PG related from the negative aspect of things. Btw, I am not for Scoot/Simons trade in and of itself. While Scoot has potential to be very good, Simons does absolutely nothing for me. Lets just wait a couple more weeks and see how things shake out before you start RE-bashing on PG and anything PG related. Bottom line, NO ONE has any real idea about what exactly the Clips are trying to do .... willing to do ... and/or feel they must do. - moving into a new arena, they will not want a "re-building" team that might be losing for a couple of years. They will want to sell tickets from the get go.
- do they feel that with health LUCK, they can basically run it back and change up things around the edges? Kind of a risk with this, especially considering the general negative taste in our mouth Clipper fans had after this horrible last season ... not only the injuries, but the poor management, poor coaching, giving away games during the season, lack of effort and lack of desire to win each and every game, etc etc.
- do they feel that it is a better long term play to move PG now, not only for chemistry, but long term "cap" issues and flexibility. I can't see them resigning him for a long term MAX contract with all of the injuries (maybe same for KL too idk)
- they need to address the point guard and back up center positions too. We can't go into next season with a Moses Brown as our backup C and a washed up John Wall as our PG.
Anyway, I know its hard. We are all anxious and put our own GM hat on .... me too, but just CHILL and lets see what shakes out. This was your original post in this thread and my original response. What you were saying was pure speculation about what is going on in front offices across the league. YOU HAVE NO INSIDE KNOWLEDGE of the status of talks, what talks have been made, who actually is available out there, what the Clippers feel is their long term game plan, how they are going to deal with the new cap rules etc etc etc. You end by saying "But what we're doing now isn't working." SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? ? What exactly isn't working if in fact, virtually EVERY team is still trying to figure out their next move right now. MY response merely stated that you don't know anything ... none of us really do ... and to just chill for a bit and see how things play out over the next couple of weeks. THEN we all can bash or applaud the moves that were made (or not made). But you can't read ... or choose to only pick and choose certain words out of a post to respond to in order to serve your own purpose. And I thought you weren't going to respond to my posts anymore??? sigh I didn't say I wasn't going to respond to your posts anymore. I said I wasn't going to respond to your posts that noted that I don't know what the Front Office is doing when of course that can be said for almost every post made on this board that involves discussing what the front office is doing. How's that simple challenge working out? Go ahead, give it a shot.
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 28, 2023 7:57:44 GMT -8
I don't think any team would give him 45.5M either on a muti year deal. I think his market value is probably 25-30m. Something like Draymond's last contract. No team will view him as a their #1 option and I don't think he would even be a #2 option on many teams. His value has dropped a lot and he's clearly past his prime. I disagree. He was an all-star last season my man. And his stats are all good for last season. We're all jaded because of what happened last season but I don't think most of the league views him with the cynical view so many of us do. He is still in his prime. I mean let's look at those stats: His true shooting percentage is still above his career average for that and nearly 60%. His usage is also still above his career average, as are his assist percentages and his player efficiency rating. All the things when tend to decline when a player is in their career decline simply have not declined yet. And we think he didn't play much last season but he played 56 games - which isn't enough but it's plenty for most teams and the most games he's played since he arrived at the Clippers. If you look at how the media ranks him, they mostly right now rank him as a top 25 player. So yeah, I think there will be teams willing to pay him the max. He's not getting anything resembling the max from the Clippers or any other team on his next contract. You can quote his All-Star appearance (0 for 9 from three by the way. In an All-Star game) where the 'media' ranks him; whatever ridiculous comparison Joey Linn makes; or how many points he averages a game. His market value is decreasing by the minute. Which is what the Clippers are learning now. How do I know this, and guys like Mistwell and Clipfan don't? The simple answer, is that's why Mistwell is Mistwell. What we learn from history, is that we don't learn from history. At least Mistwell and Clipfan don't.
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 28, 2023 8:07:09 GMT -8
Dude: he's an asshole. He primary picks one person to be an asshole to. He picked Trapp until Trapp left. He picked me until I stuck him on ignore. He's exploring if you're his next guy to bully. Don't let him. Stick him on ignore. It's the thing he despises the most - nobody hearing what he thinks. In this specific case CAM made a comment about what he thinks the front office is doing. Clipfan88 called him out by saying that CAM does not know what the FO is doing behind the scenes. CAM then reacted. It's not like Clipfan88 made a comment and then CAM called him out and criticized his comment. So you can't really put the blame on CAM for this particular case. It's obvious CAM doesn't know what is going on in the FO, nobody does, but many of us (and many in the media) speculate. That's what a forum is for. It's not really valid criticism to point out the obvious that CAM (or anyone) knows the inner workings of what is going on behind the scenes. Valid criticism would be to go after the substance of CAM's post. Take the challenge Clipfan.
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Post by gilp5 on Jun 28, 2023 8:22:02 GMT -8
I don't think any team would give him 45.5M either on a muti year deal. I think his market value is probably 25-30m. Something like Draymond's last contract. No team will view him as a their #1 option and I don't think he would even be a #2 option on many teams. His value has dropped a lot and he's clearly past his prime. I disagree. He was an all-star last season my man. And his stats are all good for last season. We're all jaded because of what happened last season but I don't think most of the league views him with the cynical view so many of us do. He is still in his prime. I mean let's look at those stats: His true shooting percentage is still above his career average for that and nearly 60%. His usage is also still above his career average, as are his assist percentages and his player efficiency rating. All the things when tend to decline when a player is in their career decline simply have not declined yet. And we think he didn't play much last season but he played 56 games - which isn't enough but it's plenty for most teams and the most games he's played since he arrived at the Clippers. If you look at how the media ranks him, they mostly right now rank him as a top 25 player. So yeah, I think there will be teams willing to pay him the max. I guess we will see. It wouldn't shock me if a team offered that type of contract, although I think it would be an overpay and I don't think it is market value (it wouldn't be multiple teams competing). Out of the last 4 years, he's had 1 decent playoff run. It's been headcase, decent run, poor playin game and then covid for second playin, injury. You could say the same about Kawhi, but Kawhi was absolutely dominant in this year's playoffs and games leading up to it before he got injured. Also PG's slower/ball stopping style of play is not well fitted to what most teams are trying to do now. Draymond's last contract was 4 years/100m and I think PG is around there.
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Post by clipanswerman on Jun 28, 2023 12:12:00 GMT -8
Draymond's last contract covered his ages over four seasons of 30, 31, 32 and 33.
If Paul George were to sign a four-year extension as part of a trade or even with the Clippers - it would take him at ages 34, 35, 36, 37 and 38 during the playoffs (His birthday is May 2nd)
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Post by mistwell on Jun 28, 2023 12:22:13 GMT -8
I disagree. He was an all-star last season my man. And his stats are all good for last season. We're all jaded because of what happened last season but I don't think most of the league views him with the cynical view so many of us do. He is still in his prime. I mean let's look at those stats: His true shooting percentage is still above his career average for that and nearly 60%. His usage is also still above his career average, as are his assist percentages and his player efficiency rating. All the things when tend to decline when a player is in their career decline simply have not declined yet. And we think he didn't play much last season but he played 56 games - which isn't enough but it's plenty for most teams and the most games he's played since he arrived at the Clippers. If you look at how the media ranks him, they mostly right now rank him as a top 25 player. So yeah, I think there will be teams willing to pay him the max. I guess we will see. It wouldn't shock me if a team offered that type of contract, although I think it would be an overpay and I don't think it is market value (it wouldn't be multiple teams competing). Out of the last 4 years, he's had 1 decent playoff run. It's been headcase, decent run, poor playin game and then covid for second playin, injury. You could say the same about Kawhi, but Kawhi was absolutely dominant in this year's playoffs and games leading up to it before he got injured. Also PG's slower/ball stopping style of play is not well fitted to what most teams are trying to do now. Draymond's last contract was 4 years/100m and I think PG is around there. This article supports your view of things more than mine, so there is that. I'd be happy if we signed each to less than max contracts, if that is in the cards.
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Post by v-ice on Jul 6, 2023 10:04:32 GMT -8
The Knicks and Clippers had trade talks surrounding Paul George at the NBA Draft;
“At the time, New York was considering a package featuring Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fournier, and three first-round picks in exchange for George.”
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Post by mistwell on Jul 9, 2023 10:27:23 GMT -8
The Knicks and Clippers had trade talks surrounding Paul George at the NBA Draft; “At the time, New York was considering a package featuring Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fournier, and three first-round picks in exchange for George.” Remember when CAM was saying he would trade Paul George for a single second round pick? Good times.
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Post by v-ice on Jul 10, 2023 14:56:24 GMT -8
Would any of you trade George for Siakim?
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Post by mistwell on Jul 15, 2023 19:45:06 GMT -8
Hilarious.
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Post by samiam19 on Jul 15, 2023 21:07:02 GMT -8
This is the fucking norm for NBA players because you guys keep sucking them off by watching games
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Post by mistwell on Jul 15, 2023 21:16:59 GMT -8
This is the fucking norm for NBA players because you guys keep sucking them off by watching games You...know watching sports is a pretty critical part of being a fan of those sports, right? And that this is a fan message board? I mean just checking in. You Vegas people sometimes don't know where you are.
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Post by samiam19 on Jul 15, 2023 21:20:56 GMT -8
This is the fucking norm for NBA players because you guys keep sucking them off by watching games You...know watching sports is a pretty critical part of being a fan of those sports, right? And that this is a fan message board? I mean just checking in. You Vegas people sometimes don't know where you are. I will fucking go rhy1244 if you call me a "vegas person" again you f****** d*** I'm getting really fucking sick of sports like football and basketball because their athletes won't shut the fuck up.
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