Sixers / Clippers trade package centered on Tobias Harris

[mistwell]

Feb 8, 2019 12:47:22 GMT -8 clipanswerman said:

I respectfully disagree with both of you guys.

First, Tullabye and Trapp (BTW, as an FYI, the Clips offered 5 years/80m to him, not 4 years 80m, which has been constantly reported incorrectly.

From the CBA, "Veteran extensions are limited to five seasons, including the seasons remaining on the current contract. Even if the extension is signed in late June, the current, almost concluded season counts as one full season toward the total. For example, a contract with two seasons remaining (the remainder of the current season, plus the next season) may be extended for up to three additional seasons." As he had a one season remaining on the current contract, the maximum extension at that time was 4 years beyond his current contract. 

[clipanswerman]

So did the $80 include that first year, making it $80 over five years? I'm not sure, but when I did the math it came to five years, but I'm not positive on this.

[mistwell]

My understanding is the money in an extension is only the portion of the actual extension, and you still are paid what you'd normally get under your existing contract for any years covered by that. So I believe that meant the $80 was for the 4 years of the extension, and the last year of his existing contract was paid at the older rate of $16M, for a total of $96M over those 5 years.

[trapp76]

This was from David Aldridge at the time: "Clippers forward @tobias31 turns down $80 million extension offer from team, per sources. Amicable discussions. But he’ll play out final year of his current deal and be UFA next summer, when he’d be eligible for 5 yrs/$188M max from Clips or 4/$145.5 elsewhere."

Everywhere I can find says the extension was for 4 years, presumably starting after his current contract was finished.

Of course, I agree you can't go on in perpetuity before you judge whether a trade was good or not, for the Tobias trade specifically, I think we should be able to say whether it was a good trade or not pretty definitively within the next two years. We still won't know where the Miami pick will be at that point, but I have a feeling we will have already traded it by then.

[clippers1121]

Keep talking about Blake being one max player. The reality was he washed out of the playoffs against the Blazers in 2016 with a quad injury and he washed out of the Utah Jazz series with a plantar fasciitis injury. He was dead to us fans at that point. Plus, when he did get the maximum contract last year he proved he wasn't an alpha scorer by blowing many shots at the end of games to lead us to a nine game losing streak. We only started winning last year because Lou Williams took over the alpha scoring role. This year he is a good stats on a bad team type of player. He not only isn't a max guy he isn't even as good as Tobias Harris. But I am happy he has stayed healthy and made the All Star team. But its not like I am not happy that we got rid of him. And no we would not have won with Blake and a second star. We did that for six years with CP3 and we did not get past the second round. And CP3 was the perfect complement for his game. So screw that idea that we would have been better off keeping Blake and trying to sign another max player.

[dyce]

Someone did the math in a previous thread. Based on Tobias' current contract, and the maximum per year raise percentages that are allowed, and the limit to 4 years extensions, the max we could offer Tobias before he hits free agency was 4 years / 80 million. So extension offer was the most we could legally offer.